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Originally Posted by ubertuber
host, would you mind restating a) what it is you're trying to get us to discuss, and b) what is has to do with the recent Supreme Court ruling? I think many of us aren't quite following your logic.
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in post #63, I responded to this:
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
Except when it gets over 40 Celsius (100 Fahrenheit) with humidex about this time of year....
I don't know much about San Jose except for a bit about hockey. I'm intrigued. I'm sure that's an interesting murder rate compared to your national average. What would be the attributing factors? You have a lot of Canadians living there or something?
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Originally Posted by host
Baraka and willravel, I've assembled some data and stats here, in an attempt to encourage both of you to stop patting yourselves on the back. I've highlighted poverty rates in these four US counties/districts, and I've portrtayed will's county, Santa Clara, in the worst possible light, by displaying only the murder/crime stats for San Jose, not for the whole county. Prince George's, MD, does not contain a major city, it's count seat has a population of under 700. Dekalb County, GA, includes the a more affluent portion of the city of Atlanta....Atlanta is spread across portions of both Fulton and Dekalb counties. Washington DC is a city in a federal "district".
See if you can spot what is different about Santa Clara and Canada, compared to the other three, US areas? The crime rates defy easy explanation, since only Washington has a poverty problem, and Prince George's does not contain an urban center.
Since you guys have been taking the bows, related to how "violence free" your home areas happen to be.... what do you think is going on in the other areas....to explain the dramatic differences in gun related violence?
The data above for one extremely low crime county, and three areas with very high. violent crime rates, indicate that the problem is not so simple that it can be said with any certainty that gun control had no effect on the problem of gun violence in Washington, DC, over the past 30 years. Handguns are easy to obtain in Dekalb Cty, GA, and much easier to obtain in San Jose, CA, and Prince Georges, MD, than in Washington DC, yet the murder rates are very high in two of three of those other places..... |
My posts after that, were resplies to Baraka's questions, points, challenges...the main point is that gun control, if the examples of the disparity in violent crime stats is an indication, should be up to local officials. Gun control appears to be needed much less in San Jose/Santa Clara, than it does in DC, Prince George's, and in Dekalb.... We have the added burden in our society that it is politically incorrect to examine or discuss whether violent crime is a cultural or an ethnic trait.
It does not seem to be rooted in conditions of poverty, but high incidence of violent crime is most prevalent in highly African American populated areas in the US, irregardless of average income and education levels.
This is curious, since a dramatically large percentage of black males of an age group most prone to criminal activity, is already incarcerated.
I think the Supreme Court majority ignored the demographic realities of 2008, and focused on now irrelevant 18th century conditions and opinions. Maybe if guns were as strictly controlled in all of the US as they are in the UK, there would not be the "leakage" of guns from permissive sales in Georgia, to Washington DC. Santa Clara, where willravel lives, does not have the violent crime problem that DC has, so a different local and regional approach can be practised there, then in DC, with it's high gun crime and it's close proximity to guns coming out of Georgia.....