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Cynthetiq · 06-26-2008, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

I know police, and they would at the drop of a hat. Of course, San Jose police work in a city with a lot less drug use than, say, NYC, so they may be able to use their time to prevent little crimes since there are so little big crimes.

That being the case, it'd probably be good to know where Lube lives.

San Jose is the 10th largest city in the US. We're more than twice the population of New Orleans. But don't worry, I have enough respect for you not to suggest you're talking out of your ass. That'd be really rude and a big red herring.

And you know he's not dealing how? And you know he's not violent how? Seems to me that you're making an awful lot of assumptions here. Maybe you should leave the investigating to the police.

Ad hominem and red herring.

Which, again, is something you really don't know. If there's a chance that he's a danger, though, do you really think it's your right to possibly put other people in danger because you're not sure?

I don't know he's not dealing. He just may. He also may be selling baseball cards, Mary Kay, or Tupperware. There's no evidence that has been stated by the OP to draw any kind of conclusion. So in the absence of evidence, I'm not jumping to any conclusions nor taking any leaps of faith.

It is simple to know that he's not being violent. If he was being violent at work, then either security (if it is a building with security) would have been called. If not then the police would ALREADY have information on this individual since they were at one point a threat to other people. Again, if he had the propensity for violence, then he would have been FIRED already and there wouldn't be an OP created by Lubeboy.

See that's the best part about what you are saying. If I'm sure? There are plenty of INTIMIDATING people walking the streets of all cities. The police aren't called just because someone looked cross-eyed at someone else.

You sure do like those herrings... maybe that's what is giving you all this gas that you are blowing out from your behind.

Please don't act like you know a single thing about addiction or bottoms of addicts, because it is very clear that you have NO IDEA.

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Originally Posted by Willravel

I don't see him going to prison for recreational use of cocaine. I do, however, see him possibly losing his job. If I had someone working for me that was using cocaine and it was clearly effecting his work in a very negative way, I'd contact HR and get him out and strongly recommend drug counseling immediately. Lube isn't this guy's boss, though. This guy's bosses aren't doing anything to fix a rather serious problem. I've seen this before and it's called bad management.

As for career ending, probably not. He'll possibly lose several prospects for a new job, but ending his career? Nah.

If you were anything like me, you stopped as soon as you realized it was having a negative effect. The man in question has already passed this point.

He has? that's a mighty fucking big ginourmous willravel sized leap of faith, jumping to conclusing. You don't know anything about this individual except that he's using drugs, he has a job, and that he's fucking up other people's jobs. That is the evidence presented so far.

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Originally Posted by blktour

I actually agree with Willravel. what people dont understand is that he is not looking at it as a "i want to mess this guys career up." but more of a " this guy has a problem, and I am a problem solver."

Everyone who thinks he is doing it to ruin the guy, is not even listening to what he is saying. I am sure that there are "many ways to skin a cat" but Willravel chooses to skin it this way. but in reality the guy did it to himself. He needs to take responsibility for his actions. Coke is NOT ok in the work enviorment. when he is coked up and it effects his work, then that is called an addiction.

I agree that he gets his point across. In my work envoirment it is black and white. I do not go to make friends, and I do not go to chat. I go to Work! so everything is black and white with me at work. work has rules and I abide to them. Call me a dick head or a stubborn guy or whatever, but as long as I love my job and do my best, no one can say anything to me.

it is just that alot of people are blinded and think that coworkers should be friends. I disagree. I could care less what others think of me, since they do not pay me.

I see that The_Jazz is surrounded by people who care about how they look towards others. so that is why they all said, "why is he trying to do that to him".

my dad once told me, "tell me who your friends are, and I will tell you who you are." so to me of course The_Jazz will have his buddies or "associates" agree with him.

you have to look at the intentions. people always miss that. I see that Willravels intentions are to help the guy and this may be the only way to help him in his eyes. Maybe even talk to the man. who really knows.

I have ONE close friend that is a cop and I asked him the same thing about this, and he said he would go and try to find the guy. Talk to his people that deal with this and try to get this guy some help. This is coming from a cop that also takes his job seriously, not some friend of The_Jazz who surrounds himself with people who tend to not really care for the core of the issue. (from what I have gotten from The_Jazz in this thread.)

I give you props Will for holding to your beliefs even when people are calling you out with fallacies.

Interesting that you make that statement of being there to do your job all no nonsenes and all, and yet in the next breath you complimenting will for him getting up all in someone else's business.

I agree with you. I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to get a job done, and if you stand in my way I'll move you out of the way however I can do it. This does not mean calling the police because someone is a drug user.

Does this mean we should call the police when someone has a 3 martini lunch and has to drive back to the office?

Will's point of view is that he's even stated that one should call the police on their parents or even sue them for breach of contract.

IMO a very misguided approach to principles and getting the things that you want and need.