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Tilted Cat Head
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Location: Manhattan, NY
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Originally Posted by dc_dux
Lech Welesa who led the peaceful Solidarity anti-government movement in Poland is alive.
Vaclev Hamel who led the peaceful "intellectuals" anti-government movement in the Czech Republic is alive.
Cory Aquino who led the peaceful yellow revolution in the Philippines is alive.
The leaders of the peaceful rose revolution in Georgia are alive.
Nelson Mandela is alive....happy 90th birthday!
/end threadjack
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There are many peaeful protest... a whole rainbow of colors and ribbons, red, yellow, orange, blu, green.. I've never stated that they didn't exist. Over the course of history, they are a smaller percentage of victory without bloodshed. I've stated the guys with the guns decide to open fire, that's all that it takes to make that shift into violence.
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Originally Posted by Willravel
In a discussion about nonviolence you tried to re-frame the discussion by switching to martyrdom and in that same post you compared the man in Tienanmen Square to a suicide bomber.
Two very bright people came to the exact same conclusion about your comparison, Cynth. It may be time for self reflection.
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Again, please show me where there is a comparison. It is a STATEMENT. You stated people dying for causes, that's the definition of martyr. I'm stating that martyr can be ANY cause, good or bad from your point of view. Please read the defintion in any dictionary you have handy and please show me where it says, GOOD cause.
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