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Originally Posted by Willravel
Eliminating war is pretty difficult. Ending a war? That's possible. The nice thing about being nonviolent is that it's really difficult for your enemies to explain why they need to kill you. Had the British continued their occupation of India when Gandhi was at his peak popularity, there could have been riots back home. This can logically be extended to any violent conflict, including Iraq. If the US soldiers all left, they'd have no violent recourse.
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Do you know what happens when pacifists attempt to end wars?
Lots of them are murdered.
But back to the topic, could this be why the dems approved the new retro immunity?
http://themoderatevoice.com/politics...votes-on-fisa/
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In March, the House passed an amendment that rejected retroactive immunity for telecoms that assisted the NSA in illegal wiretapping. Most of us have wondered what happened to change the minds of 94 Democrats. What happened between June 20 and March 14 to change 94 Democratic hearts and minds?
The answer might well be simple: money. Could it be that simple?
Here’s the bottom line:
Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint gave PAC contributions averaging:
$8,359 to each Democrat who changed their position to support immunity for Telcos (94 Dems)
$4,987 to each Democrat who remained opposed to immunity for Telcos (116 Dems)
88 percent of the Dems who changed to supporting immunity (83 Dems
of the 94) received PAC contributions from Verizon, AT&T, or Sprint
during the last three years (Jan. 2005-Mar. 2008). ( MAPLight.org)
Of course the average amount received is a bit misleading. A few of the very prominent Dems who changed their votes took a lot more than $8000. According to this website,
Nancy Pelosi [CA], Speaker of the House, allegedly received $24,500.
Steny Hoyer [MD] allegedly received $29,000.
James Clyburn [SC] allegedly received $29,500.
Rahm Emanuel [IL] allegedly received $28,000.
Frederick Boucher [VA] allegedly received $27,500.
Gregory Meeks [NY] allegedly received $26,000.
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Democrats and Republicans.....not much difference really. yay for us.
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Last edited by dksuddeth; 06-25-2008 at 07:56 AM..
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