Tilted Cat Head
Administrator
Location: Manhattan, NY
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Jazz
They did. In 1991.
|
thanks for the timeline correction.
Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Jazz
Baraka, interesting points. I have always believed that war is simply politics prosecuted by other means. One does not enter into war lightly, in my opinion (the Bush administration notwithstanding), but should a country make the decision to go to war they must do so with the intention to win. If they do not, then there is no point. Please note that I did not say "win but keep their morals intact". People die in war - it is a truism. Sometimes innocent people die in war - again another truism. It is unavoidable since they do not happen in a vacuum.
Wars end and then people must deal with what had to be done to win or deal with the fact that they lost. War is a very scary proposition for governments since a defeat can topple them or end in occupation. A government not willing to compromise on moral integrity at a time of war is a government that faces being voted out at best or being removed by force.
This caught me, though:
Realizing that no Western nation is currently "suffering" because of the Iraq or Afganistan Wars - there are no shortages or battles being fought there - I think that you have a higher opinion of humanity than I do. If you asked anyone with family members getting ready to invade Japan about Hiroshima and Nagasaki which was preferable, I will bet that the response would be in the high 90's for the atomic option. If dropping firebombs on Kabul, for instance, would bring Canadian troops home sooner and with a lower casualty rate, do you really think that Canadians would chose to keep troops in the field over the opportunity to bring them home?
|
I think that's an important part of this thought, if torture is so abhorrent, surely war is too. Both are truisms to humanity. Your outline here best describes why I find that torture is acceptable. It's just framed as war in your post, but I see the same thing but with the lens of torture.
__________________
I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not.
Last edited by Cynthetiq; 06-24-2008 at 12:20 PM..
Reason: Automerged Doublepost
|