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Originally Posted by Willravel
Don't be so melodramatic. My grandfather's brother was literally cut in half by machine gun fire at Pearl Harbor right in front of my grandfather, who retold the story to me only once because it was so painful to him. That doesn't excuse nuking a country after ignoring their wish to surrender for months.
My family (on my father's side) was enslaved by Romans, but that also has nothing to do with this.
Surrender is surrender. "Cast off" this idea that somehow because they did bad things they deserved to be wiped out after they gave up. Justice is reached in a court room, not on the receiving end of a bomb.
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Will, read a bit more about the brutality of the Filipinos in the hands of the Japanese. One person being ripped in two by machine gun fire who is an enlisted serviceman is hardly equal to whole civilian villages being raped and maimed.
As far as the enslaved Roman tale, that's a great tale. I'm sure you have some sort of telling of it in some fashion, book or manuscript? I have living members of the family and books authored and published by family members.
My family already gave thanks, they gave up the entire cattle farm they had to feed the US Army. When the accountants showed up to pay for the head of cattle, my great grandfather said,"We're even."
You may want to find justice in a courtroom. Other members of my family wanted more than just war reparations for the atrocities from the Japanese.
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Originally Posted by host
Do you have any limits, or would you advocate exempting the US from the provisions of the Geneva conventions....?
Who do you cede the authority to, to determine when it is appropriate "to torture", and to what degree. When they do it, they say they do it in your name.
What are your principles, what do you stand for, if you can use "happy" associated with the practice of torture ? Do you really believe they would only use it on "the bad people"? Who determines who the bad people are, and by what standard of evidence or collection of evidence?
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I don't know host, apparently some members of my family were considered the bad people of the Japanese for helping the resisteance fighters in the Philippines.
I don't like to clean the toilets, but they need to be cleaned. I don't like picking up the garbage, but it needs to be done. I'm glad that there are people in the world that are willing to do the things that I'm not able to stomach for myself to do.
Again, I'll say it loud and proud, I'm
happy to have such people that are willing to torture people in order to get information that is not going to come out otherwise.
host, I stand for fairness and equality. If someone is brutal towards community members, then someone should unleash that same brutality towards them in return. You may not believe in retribution, but it fits in my view of the world.
re: geneva conventions...
tell me did the guys (ETA, Hamas, IRA, Abu Sayaf, Al Qaeda, Iraqi Insurgents) who blow up market places, restaurants, and malls follow the Geneva Convention?
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