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Old 06-21-2008, 03:40 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Yeah, but for the Democratic base that immunity is the meat and potatoes of the bill. The other stuff really is immaterial because FISA is already passed and in effect, and it's fine in the form it took to try and combat future Nixons.

When they vote to approve the bill when it's gotta be crystal clear that their constituents do not want it, and more so it's clear that the bill is essentially a get out of jail free card (regardless of the possible difficulties in prosecuting the telecoms), they're compromising with the devil, not compromising for the sake of common good. And it's that kind of compromising that will likely lead to a GOP Senate soon and possibly even a House, which will severely limit Obama in cleaning up Bush's mess, which let's be honest, is why he'll be elected.

To me, a non-Democrat, it seems like the same bullshit. Dems are rolling over because they're afraid of looking soft. Can you imagine how stupid someone has to be to think rolling over will make them appear strong? For too long the GOP has been the 'father' party and the Dems the 'mother'. As long as the media can make people afraid, the mother won't be who people turn to and that is exactly what the GOP wants. I'm sure you had a situation where you individuated from your father as a young man. Did you compromise or did you forge your own path? I'm sure you, like me, forged your own path in life and are stronger for it. The Dems need to do the same thing here. Instead of continuing to play the GOPs game, they need to prove to people like me and Host that they're not simply Republicans in blue ties but are actually real liberals and have real drive and, more than anything else, real fortitude and power. Until they do that they'll enjoy record low public popularity at the very least and be voted out on each cycle as people are forced to choose between the abusive husband or the victim wife.
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