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will, I know you were indifferent to the argument that the democrats are the only serious alternative to republican political ambitions, long before I was, so I'm sure you are reacting to the facts being reported, and to Obama's own words. Obama voted against the senate bill in february. Harry Reid selected the Rockefeller Cheney bill with telecomm immunity, instead of the bill drafted by a senate committee w/o telecomm immunity, to come to the floor for a vote. The bill passed with all republicans and 17 democrats voting for it. 29 democrats voted against it. Do you think the only thing wrong with the house bill is telecomm immunity? Do you think Obama is even serious about thinking he has any chance to remove telecomm immunity, given what Reid did in february and says now, plus the lopsided february vote? How serious does Obama sound negotiating, since he says he'll try to get the bill changed but if not....he'll vote for it anyway? Did his fear card rhetoric creep you out? Didn't the house dems simply have to offer the repubs the change to Fisa that would permit warrantless surveillance of foreign communication that originated and ended outside the US, but passed through a switch located in the US, as is claimed to be common routing, to achieve an honest and fair to the American people, Fisa modernization? Wasn't that the change that could be justified and, beyond that, wasn't the decent way for house dems and Obama to represent our best interests, to tell repubs to accept only that revision, or get nothing.....just house leaders sitting on their hands when it came to introduction of a Fisa reform bill that was not rooted in fear based power transfer to the executive or on telecomm lobbying pressure?

otto, please don't do this on this thread....do it somewhere else, 'kay?