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Originally Posted by jorgelito
I think that's it pretty much in a nut shell.
Good point here. But does that mean you are in favor of independence for the Maoris (is that what you meant?). I think this comes back to right of self-determination. Which to me, is where the discussion/conversation gets more interesting. How would you compare/contrast New Zealand with Chechnya?
....I think you're onto something here but it needs more parsing out.. Human rights is a tricky thing. I don't think the Israelis and Chinese feel like they are human rights abusers. I think it also depends on who you ask too. I think there are plenty of Americans who feel like they have had their human rights abused right here in America (or at the very least, civil rights). As an American who traveled through Israel and China, I caught an earful from their people about how we Americans are hypocritical about human rights etc. It was harsh to say the least.
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jorge
i think theres a difference between nz and chechnya. firsly nz, like australia is still part of the commonwealth, so they are still answerable to the Governor general whos the queens representative. now i dont know how things would work in terms of politics and law when it comes to these things, but id assume that in order for the moari's to gain independance from nz the bonds of being part of th commonwealth will need to be broken. secondly the moaris must show enough in terms of self rule and autonomy and demonstrate that they wont just run into the ground. east timor is a classic example. though they have a right for autonomy, i think their independance was premature and the choas weve seen lately is a result of that. granted there will be growing pains, but easttimor has been in serious strife and wouldnt be able to stand on its own without australias intervention.
in terms of chechnya, it is an autocratic nation that has run itself for years. its part of the soviet union, but has had self rule since stanlins time if i recall. their independance is hindered due to oil reserves in the caspian sea, and those oil lines need to run through chechnya. so russia wouldnt be willing to give chechnya up without a fight ( or two)
other ex soviet nations have demonstrated their breakaway rather cleanly. i dont see why checnya would be an exception. mashkadov was democratically elected and was widely seen across the world as the legitimate leader of checnya. installing puppet giverments like kadyrov and his men only add imbalance to an unsteady equation.
chechnya also had prescedents in other nations claiming indepedance after thefall of the soviet union. new zealand has no such neighbours. tasmanians would probably call out independance if one part of nz does. although it wouldnt be on race lines as in nz moaris.