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Originally Posted by dc_dux
scout...do you think Obama's four years in the US Senate (he was elected in 2004) and eight years in the Illinois State Senate make him less experienced than Bush's six years as governor of Texas (and a failed oilman and mediocre baseball team owner).
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That's a good comparison.... at least people knew Bush was a dumb fuck from day 1 because they knew a little bit of his past, with Obama NOTHING....except he associated with a very racist pastor, who he threw under the bus. We know his grandmother "was a typical white person who was racist" so he threw her under the us. We know Rezko, who was hrown under the bus.
Plus, I thought Bush was never elected but placed in office in 2000 by the Supreme Court and in '04 the voting machines were rigged..... so he never truly won did he?
But it's easier to downplay this voting reasoning and talk down to the people who have it than to argue reasonably about it.
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Obama may "scare a lot of people" (your words) because of lack of experience and /or his character or past associations (pan's reasons) or other reasons that may or may not be based on emotion rather than policy positions, but it is reasonable to question if those same standards are applied to white candidates or if there is an underlying "hidden" motive.
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Well, you have HIS pastor of 20 years saying, "God Damn America" "The government made AIDS to kill black people" and so on. But he never heard those things.... Rev. Wright is misguided........ that's not the Rev. Wright I know.
But to talk about this is racist, to make a judgment of character on this is racist.......
If you had McCain's preacher sitting there saying the reverse, everyone would talk about it.
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Racism exists in American...to deny it is to deny reality. And to believe it stops at the voting booth is also naive, IMO.
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True, but I would say that won't truly affect the election. On the other hand, the black community coming out stronger and voting for Obama simply because he is black will.
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Here's another scenario, called the "Bradley effect" in which voters say publicly that they will vote for a black candidate, but act differently in the privacy of the voting boothThe name Bradley effect is derived from a 1982 campaign involving Tom Bradley, the long-time mayor of Los Angeles, California. Bradley, who was black, ran as the Democratic party's candidate for Governor of California against Republican candidate George Deukmejian, who was white. The polls on the final days before the election consistently showed Bradley with a lead. In fact, based on exit polls on election day, a number of media outlets projected a Bradley win that night; early editions of the next day's San Francisco Chronicle featured a headline proclaiming "BRADLEY WIN PROJECTED". However, Bradley narrowly lost the race. Post-election research indicated that a smaller percentage of white voters actually voted for Bradley than polls had predicted.
Similar voter behavior was noted in the 1989 race for Governor of Virginia between black Democratic candidate L. Douglas Wilder and white Republican candidate Marshall Coleman. In that race, Wilder prevailed, but by less than half of one percent, despite pre-election poll numbers that showed an average lead for him of nearly nine percent. Again, the discrepancy was widely attributed to white voters who had told pollsters that they backed Wilder, but who did not actually vote for him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect
Will it be a factor in this election? Based on Obama's showing in the primaries in many "white" states, perhaps not...but those were primaries, with only the democratic base voting. There is no way of knowing it if will hold in the general election.
Obama may lose and it may be because of policy, experience, character or any combination of factors that may also include race.
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All his tells me is that if he loses you have an excuse. It wasn't the issues r his character that could possibly have lost the election.
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For the record, I am not attributing any motives to any voters here in TFP, but rather projecting the possibility to the broader electorate.
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But in the projecting you refuse to answer questions, you refuse to talk to the other with any type of understanding for their concerns. You make excuses, innuendos, accusations, and so on. But and this is a big but, you again refuse to address the issues with any sense of true understanding. You do not help win voters that way, you push hem farther away and you may even send supporters the other way.