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Old 06-15-2008, 04:31 PM   #48 (permalink)
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wow...that could have been me...never would have thought of the juxtaposition to tricky dick and spiro...let her die for all the deaths in vietnam...jeebus freakin' cripes...

host, how old were you when this happened, and what affect did this series of events have on you at that time?
I was sixteen....I followed the reporting of the murders closely, we were all fascinated about Manson, the connection with the Beatles song, the Manson "family" at the Spahn ranch, Polanski....his later being accused of underaged sex....avoided return to the US to face charges..... six years later....Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme sticks a gun into president Ford....it failed to fire.....

Sensationalized....hyped....ala "Tanya"....aka kidnapped heiress Patty Hearst, brainwashed by her captors into pariticpating in armed robbery of a bank....Symbionese Liberation army, the Harris's....

The point is....Susan Atkins served 39 years...she was probably as much under the influence of Manson as Patty Hearst was, under the Harris's....Atkins is old, one legged....dying..... the wrath posted here is odd.

The "non-wrath" reaction to a war that has killed six figures worth of innocent people, including 4,100 US troops, is an issue, and a symptom, just as the wrath posted here is.

I was as close to Atkin's crime as anyone my age or older who followed the reporting at the time was. I have no objection to her release, under the circumstances described. She has been cut no specific break by "the system", I doubt many know that the commutation or her sentence to life instead of execution was an automatic result of a US Supreme Court decision that declared the death penalty unconstitutional. When that ruling came. in 1973, every death sentence was commuted to life.

Atkins is not the most heinous murderer, and most posting "let her rot", are influenced by third hand accounts, as they were too young to witness second hand accounts.

The Tate-LaBianco murders took place in the year following the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy, in a year when the Vietnam war was pressing several hundred thousand civilian males into the military, thousands of which would be killed, as they killed a multiple of their own numbers of dead, in numbers of Vietnamese.

That war turned out to be justified by an incident that we found did not even take place....the Gulf of Tonkin attacks on US Navy ships by North Vietnamese naval forces.....

Manson and the girls turned into folklore, and the elected leaders, those responsible for the REAL sensational numbers of lost innocent lives, did it the same way they're doing it now....via contrived, unneccessary war.

It won't stop until we adjust our misplaced sense of focus and outrage. If you want to get worked up about a perceived injustice, posting condemnations of this powerless, walking dead woman is not a sign that you are heading in the right direction.....

I cannot understand the strong reaction, but it is today's America:
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Ailing Manson Follower Requests Early Release

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Runabout wrote:
Yeah OK, maybe when hell freezes over!
6/14/2008 3:42 PM PDT on news10.net
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Raiderfan56 wrote:
Sounds like cancer finally caught up to the "CANCER"...she's been living in prison most of her life, let her die there.
6/14/2008 9:44 AM PDT on news10.net
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Whalen wrote:
I think that they should kill her like she killed her victom. The only sad thing is that she got 37 years longer to live then Sharon and her child.
6/14/2008 9:28 AM PDT on news10.net
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srvman wrote:
I say we should show compassion. Take this POS and execute her. Now, that is compassion. She deserves no compassion except for instant death.
6/14/2008 2:46 AM PDT on news10.net
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Micstew wrote:
Is she serious? Does she really think the 37 years she's been locked up even COMPARE to the crime that she committed? It's dispicable that she's even asking for a favor. She SHOULD ask for a favor, she should ask someone to shoot her so that we don't have to pay for her care any longer.. or the $100,000 it costs to execute her.
6/13/2008 11:20 PM PDT on news10.net
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rstandre wrote:
Awwwww...have a heart people. Let's show her some compassion. The same compassion she showed when she cut a pregnant woman begging for the life of her unborn child.
6/13/2008 11:15 PM PDT on news10.net
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LadyGreenEyes wrote:
"A Department of Corrections spokeswoman said Susan Atkins is very ill, has been hospitalized, and a doctor has given her less than six months to live."

Awe, Isn't this sad..NOT! Let her croak in prison - too bad it didn't happen to her long ago.
6/13/2008 10:48 PM PDT on news10.net
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KapsTaz wrote:
Yeah, good luck with that request Susan.
6/13/2008 10:29 PM PDT on news10.net
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KapsTaz wrote:
Shes sick and wants out? So whats her point? And thats FAR more worse than what she did! I say TFS! Rot in prison!
6/13/2008 10:20 PM PDT on news10.net
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But not every topic of conversation is about Bush and the war. Where are you going next with this? The titty board? "Hey ya know she's naked. Under our clothes we're all naked. Ya know who else is naked under his clothes- Bush..."

You can make silly comparisons if you wish. But really this thread was about one lady possibly getting released from a life sentence for murder because she has a terminal illness. ....
The thread turned into a "no mercy" outpouring....IMO, a society with no capacity for mercy....one that reacts in a predictable, hardline fashion, is an ideal setup for supporting, or acting complacently to politicians who decide to wage contrived, aggressive war.

I don't recognize my own countrymen. When did it get so ugly and unforgiving towards the powerless, and so supportive of the most powerful, no matter how much they deceive the supporters and abuse their power.

I missed the part where we turned into who the majority demonstrate that they are now....

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