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Old 06-13-2008, 06:38 PM   #167 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by aceventura3
This is not about domestic crime. We are at war.
The Constitution applies to more than domestic crime and more than just US citizens. The right of habeas corpus is a basic Constitutional right.

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Originally Posted by aceventura3
We are in a war where Congress authorized the use of military force and gave the President broad authority to use it. Bi-lateral support I might add.
Unlike you, Bush has never attempted to apply the "Use of Force" resolution to the treatment of detainees/non-combatants. He just tried to unilaterally interpret the Constitution and US obligations under the Geneva Conventions (with a rationale provided by Alberto Gonzales)..and has been overruled by the the SCOTUS repeatedly.

After the SCOTUS ruled in 2004 (Rasul v. Bush) that detainees have the right to challenge the legality of their detention in US courts (applications for habeas corpus), he got the Republican Congress to enact the Detainee Treatment Act in 2005, which officially stripped the federal courts of any authority to hear detainee cases.

The SCOTUS overturned that law in 2006 (Humdi v Rumsfeld) when it ruled that military commissions at Guantanamo Bay violated the laws of war and international conventions.

...which resulted in another attempt to circumvent the Constitution and international conventions with the Military Commissions Act, that in effect was overturned by the most recent decision (Boumediene v. Bush). The court ruled that detainees have rights under the Constitution to challenge their detention in civilian courts.
"The laws and Constitution are designed to survive, and remain in force, in extraordinary times. Liberty and security can be reconciled; and in our system, they are reconciled within the framework of law. The Framers decided that habeas corpus, a right of first importance, must be a part of that framework, part of that law." - Justice Anthony Kennedy in the majority opinon
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Bush's war is our war.
Bush's war may be your war...it sure as hell isnt mine. The sooner we restore the rule of law, the better we will be as a nation.
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - attributed to Benjamin Franklin

"The practice of arbitrary imprisonments, in all ages, is the favorite and most formidable instruments of tyranny" - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 84
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