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Old 06-12-2008, 10:17 AM   #97 (permalink)
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My response was to all of it. You basically predicted a future that supports your case without giving your reasoning. As Cynthetiq would say, that's intellectually dishonest. Prediction should be about reasonable likelihoods and precedent, not inventing an unsupportable future that fits your argument.
Ummmm.... call it what you will, I see a great many similarities between the '76 election and this one. Which would be precedent. Believing we will get financially stable regardless of the president ignores all signs it won't. I supported my position quite well above, at least for me. Don't like it I don't care. I have yet to hear you reason against it. All you can do is throw phrases, cut and paste what you want and not truly give an opposing view. You just attack mine.

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Do you believe that an Obama presidency and McCain presidency will be anything alike?
Not really. But I'll take Mccain's over Obama's.

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You find comfort in a stalled system, where the executive and legislative are adversarial. I disagree.
I find comfort in that no one party will have a blank check and hopefully instead of gridlock we'll see compromises made for the betterment of the country. I'd rather have a McCain look totally inefficient and unable to compromise than Obama run this country further down because he has a blank check. Also helps in future elections, the McCain scenario.

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You can throw "ignore" around all you want, but it doesn't gather meaning from repetition. I read everything you wrote and responded to it.
Really Will? Where's the comments on my comparing the '76 election to this one? Where's the answer to:

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When in 2 years, the economy is still just as bad if not worse..... what do you tell those who voted for Obama who promised he was going to help everyone and things would get better?

What do you tell those who are barely making it when gas prices hit $6 a gallon and inflation out of control?

They'll understand we have them programmed to hate big oil.... but didn't Obama swear things would get better?
Where's your comments to:

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When in 4 yrs..... we are still in the war, the economy is still shit.... say goodbye White House.

It's '76 all over. A very disliked, scandal ridden administration and a horrible recession looming.... here comes a "saviour" who trusted the wrong people, who ended up being far worse for the country and losing the White House for 12 years. In '76 hard times were coming... it was going to happen regardless of who was in office, but Carter was brought in with everyone saying he could make this country great. Didn't happen. This is history repeating itself.
I don't see those. I see you saying "well your are predicting and guessing and making your choice that way????? WTF? And I am supposed to elect a president how? Especially based on what we know of either man. OOOOO because Obama is the messiah, the saviour I am to just blindly vote for he man.

OOOOO because he is a great man, I am supposed to ignore a 20 yr association with Rev. Wright. (And I can't talk about it because that is racist.)

I'm supposed to ignore that this great man who is going to be the greatest president since Washington.... has had very poor people around him, that he will routinely put under the bus, came out of nowhere and has a press cover up and make excuses for this man, while crucifying McCain for every little thing he says.

But most importantly Will, you totally ignored this:

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And if I am wrong in 4 years and our nation is prospering and people are raving about how great Obama is.... then I'll admit I was wrong. But will you admit I was right, if what I predict happens?

No, it'll be someone else's fault.... Bush's fault..... the GOP who didn't give Obama what he wanted...... Big business..... the ultra rich...... everyone but his fault.

Yet, when if it happens with McCain.... it will be all his fault.

I'll take McCain.
What will you admit to in 4 years if I am right about Obama? If things do get worse...

I vote for the man I think will work best for my country the next 4 years. McCain, for all his faults will be that man.... ANYONE that ran would be better than Obama.

That is my opinion.
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