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Tilted Cat Head
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Originally Posted by host
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Post #153
Is it reasonable to consider the quotes in yellow, to be sentiments in favor of "moving on"....focusing on other things than the misconduct of the current administration?
Post #156
Is it reasonable to consider the quotes in yellow, an argument for "running out the clock", or justification for a "running out the clock" strategy of a group intending to avoid investigation leading to prosecution, via impeachment or in a criminal court?
In other words, doesn't it follow, if investigation of a president and his administration were to end, as a matter of protocol, and procedure, when the term in office of said president ended, that attempting to stonewall investigation by refusing to testify, respond to letters of inquiry or letters demanding documents, "running out the clock" would be the resulting defense
of the president and his administration?
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Post #158
Making allowance for my own bias, to the extent that it is possible to do so, I do not understand how the opinions of ace and Cynthetiq could lead to anything other than a strategy by the executive branch, to "run out the clock", in response to congressional committee investigations begun when the opposition party had it's first opportunity to chair such committees and then authorize investigations that were blocked for the prior six year period.....
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Cynthetiq.... I just want to be sure that you think my impression of your opinion was "Bait, after bait, after bait.".... because, after reviewing your comments and my response, I think what I wrote were the conclusions, on the matter..... of a reasonable person, considering your comments, by this standard:
Isn't the opposite of what was advocated in the posts of ace and Cynthetiq, and thus, three precedents....these recent investigations?:
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If it helps you sleep at night to believe that I want them to "move on" then so be it host. If that's what warms your cockles in your world, then by all means.
But remember in MY WORLD I have already stated that anything that detracts from adding value to my life, is a waste of my time.
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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
Okay, so you've shaken your fist at the TV, you've voted, you've contacted your representatives and told them you don't like what's happening and expect them to take action.
you've mailed letters...
other people have attended rallies, and protests...
things don't change...
now what?
I still have to pay my mortgages, go to work, enjoy life... and what rage against the machine?
sorry, I'm more interested in making a living, saving my money and investments, and taking my marbles to play somewhere that's of my comfort and choosing.
anything that detracts from that is a waste of my time.
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Since you prefer citations, here's a simple lithmus test for me:
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And acceptance is the answer to all my problems today. When I am disturbed, it is because I find some person, place, thing or situation -- some fact of my life -- unacceptable to me, and I can find no serenity until I accept that person, place, thing or situation as being exactly the way it is supposed to be at this moment.
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Since you seem to read that as a pass, well let me continue more about it:
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For me, serenity began when I learned to distinguish between those things that I could change and those I could not. When I admitted that there were people, places, things, and situations over which I was totally powerless, those things began to lose their power over me. I learned that everyone has the right to make their own mistakes, and learn from them, without my interference, judgement, or assistance!
The key to my serenity is acceptance. But "acceptance" does not mean that I have to like it, condone it, or even ignore it. What it does mean is I am powerless to do anything about it... and I have to accept that fact.
Nor does it mean that I have to accept "unacceptable behavoir." Today I have choices. I no longer have to accept abuse in any form. I can choose to walk away, even if it means stepping out into the unknown. I no longer have to fear "change" or the unknown. I can merely accept it as part of the journey.
I spent years trying to change things in my life over which I was powerless, but did not know it. I threatened, scolded, manipulated, coerced, pleaded, begged, pouted, bribed and generally tried everything I could to make the situation better -- only watch as things always got progressively worse.
I spent so much time trying to change the things I could not change, it never once occurred to me to simply accept them as they were.
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Originally Posted by Willravel
1) The Legislative branch may investigate he executive branch
2) The Executive can pardon criminals
3) The Judicial can determine whether a law is or is not constitutional.
Each of these three instances describes a check and balance well after what was to be checked was established. Pardons can come decades after a conviction. Investigations can happen years after a supposed crime has been committed by a member of the Executive branch. The Supreme Court can rule centuries after laws are passed as to whether a law is constitutional or not.
Don't worry, I don't intend to lecture anyone about separation of powers. Just pointing out examples.
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Thanks will, there's something a bit more gracious when someone is trying to become more educated.
Yes, those are true, but here people are demanding that things be CHECKED NOW, or BALANCED NOW. So while the Patriot Act may be the worst thing to happen to civil rights, I'm confident that in the future the rights of the future Americans will be secured by the SCOTUS overturning that act. See, just like you said, checks and balances.
See what you've stated isn't that scary monster that host sees hiding in the White House closet on Jan 20, 2009 wherein POTUS Bush refuses to leave the White House. No, the checks and balances happen as they need to and I'm confident in the system that has been working for 232 years now.
Some of you seem to think that if it's not happening right now, it's no good.
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Last edited by Cynthetiq; 06-10-2008 at 08:47 PM..
Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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