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Originally Posted by host
ace....a couple of questions.... you say you think independently, arriving at independent conclusions....so why do you sound so similar to these two guys, Broder and (George F.) Will?
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Great minds think alike?!?
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....and do you wear boxers or briefs? I cannot imagine stuffing a "set" as big as the one a person who wrote your last post, yet who subscribed to "the thinking" below, must be endowed with...into a pair of briefs!
ace, I've seen you post quotes from Hamilton, before....how has he got it wrong, in this case? Why do Will, Broder, and Coulter, though they thought that a president who "publicly lied", about comparatively trivial, private personal matters, shoud be impeached or resign....and why do you, for that matter, object to the same ground rules when the misleading statements are as serious as the justifications for invasion and occupation, or the outing of a CIA operative for political payback purposes?
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I did not support the Clinton impeachment. In fact after that embarrassing episode in our history I change my party affiliation from Republican to Libertarian prior to Bush and then I changed back again. The nation was not served by impeaching Clinton. Heck, the nation was not served by the Andrew Johnson impeachment either.
I know there is a lot of emotion and some feel the need to get even for whatever wrong they think Bush is guilty of - I just think it will be a waste of time and energy - nothing more, nothing less. Those who want to punish Bush or send a message with further investigations, hearings, impeachment, trials, etc., will be in a position of power soon and can make it all happen. We will actually be able to see if any good comes from it.
So far Bush has pretty much done everything he wanted to do, and has not had to answer to anyone. In my mind Congress failed if we conclude Bush is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors. Every step of the way Democrats have been saying he was dishonest and a lier, from the moment he "stole" the election. If they believed what they said, they should have done more at the time it was happening.
My mind is made up and won't be changed, I am focused on the future.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
and i don't see the argument that ace is making above--which amounts to "pshaw..everyone does this" as extending anywhere near these situations.
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No. My point is impeachment, further investigations, hearings, etc. will not reveal a greater truth for anyone. Those who believe Bush is a criminal and is guilty already know it and those who don't think he is won't be moved by more data. It is a waste of time at this point. How many more ways can they investigate the lead up to war?
Or is it just a matter of giving "everyone" a turn to publicly say how outraged they are and how vial Bush is? If that is the game, and Obama wants to continue it, it seem contrary to his desire to change Washington. But, if you recall even Bush was going to "change" Washington. Washington is not going to change. So, Bush will go through the Democratic Party ringer, and Obama will get his turn with the Republicans. You can say you heard it hear first.