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Old 06-01-2008, 04:20 AM   #40 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by scout
Or it could be really great, safe and easy and then he would have to lie about it much like Clinton did about her visit to Kosovo or wherever it was she flew in and dodged sniper fire...
or much like McCain lied about it last year when he proclaimed it was safe to walk through the Baghgad central market or neighborhoods in Baghdad.

Or just last week, when McCain said the US presence in Iraq has been reduced to pre-surge levels...it has not.

You seem to be unwilling to recognize that McCain's version of developments in Iraq do not reflect the truth on the ground.


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.... his story will switch and he will say the surge worked and things are better in Iraq....
Do you understand the reason behind the surge...to make the environment safer or more stable for political reconciliation?

Here is where that stands:
The largest sunni block in the government pulled out of government last August and are still not close to returning...unless Malaki controls the influence of Sadar and his shiite Mahdi army. (Key Iraq Sunni bloc quits talks on political boycott)

While at the same time, followers of Sadr also left the government last year after Malaki refused their demands for a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops. They are currently honoring a cease fire, after beating back the government's attempt to reign them in, but that can explode any day. (Shiites across Iraq protest US presence)

The highest religious leader in the country, Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, is opposed to the Bush-Malaki deal that will authorize a long-term US presence and may be on the verge of issuing a fatwah that it is permissible to attack US. troops. (Iraqi cleric flirting with Shiite militant message)

scout......where is the political progress that you think Obama might see if he visits Iraq in the coming months.

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...for him just to pack up our troops one day and bring them home the next.
When did Obama ever say he would "pack up all the troops one day and bring them home the next?"
Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.

The best way to press Iraq’s leaders to take responsibility for their future is to make it clear that we are leaving. As we remove our troops, Obama will engage representatives from all levels of Iraqi society – in and out of government – to seek a new accord on Iraq’s Constitution and governance.

Obama will launch the most aggressive diplomatic effort in recent American history to reach a new compact on the stability of Iraq and the Middle East. This effort will include all of Iraq’s neighbors — including Iran and Syria. This compact will aim to secure Iraq’s borders; keep neighboring countries from meddling inside Iraq; isolate al Qaeda; support reconciliation among Iraq’s sectarian groups; and provide financial support for Iraq’s reconstruction.

Obama policy on Iraq
As far as I can tell, Obama actually agreed with Gen. Petraeus in one respect, when he (Petraeus) said....""There is no military solution to a problem like that in Iraq, to the insurgency of Iraq."

As I said to Seaver in another thread (Credit Crunch).....do some fact-checking one in a while. You only make your position weaker when you misrepresent Obama's.
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