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Originally Posted by roachboy
so your take on the bush rationales, such as they were, is as instrumentalized as those fine fellows from the project for a new american century, who are ultimately responsible for this debacle in iraq. they adopted the same line, but without the ridiculous claims that debacle in iraq will serve an edifying function for "muslims every where in the world" and instead were mostly interested in invading iraq as a way of rewinding the first gulf war and effectively telling the united nations to fuck itself, there's a new swaggering amurican sheriff in town blah blah blah--except of course, it's all gone to hell.
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"...it's all gone to hell" - not sure that is a observation. I don't know who or what "a new american century" is. It is true that I have no respect for the UN.
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but if that's the case, then you really don't care *what* the bush people said at all--
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Ding, ding, ding, ding - give that man a prize. How many times, how many ways have I said that regarding invading Iraq?
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and since the end justifies the means, the intelligence was "faulty" rather than knowingly manipulated to justify a decision to invade taken well in advance of any rationale....the end justifies the means.
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If I were President I would have taken Saddam out long before 9/11. If you are suggesting that Bush used 9/11 as an excuse for taking out Saddam, I have not seen proof of that and I don't think he used 9/11 when he got authorization to use military force from Congress. He clearly gave his justification.
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and of course you would draw no connection between the marketing of this phony case for a debacle and the "democracy" that this farce was supposed to export.
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The case is real, you just don't agree. The case was real even without nuclear weapons.
If the Iraqi government proves to be a farce, I would agree that we have failed.
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and it seems the you prefer a fantasy scenario as to outcome to anything remotely like an assessment of the actually existing situation. "taking the long view" i think the bush people call that particular type of dissociation.
which would explain why you have no cognizance, seemingly, of the consequences of this debacle for the interests of the united states.
the end justify the means.
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Yet, the Dems have their leading Presidential candidate who has not been to Iraq recently making speeches and judgments about what he would do.
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and it's all just opinion, man, so anyone can frame in or out whatever information about the world they want.
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I give the basis for my opinions. I respond to questions. I read opposing opinions and views. I look objectively at facts. You saying its just opinion is a cop-out, isn't?
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it's all arbitrary, so the actually existing farce can be referenced as a Giant Edifying Exercise for those benighted "muslims every where in the world."
great.
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I was paraphrasing McClellan. I though his comment was a bit over the top too.
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i'll catch you later, ace.
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Why do you torment yourself so? Be aware, I will be the same condescending, frustratingly arrogant, SOB, the next time you catch me. But I bet that is why you really, deep inside, love me.
