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ace, darling, it is amazing to me that you are trying to debate the underlying question of the status of the rationales for the war in iraq...they were transparently false from the outset. there is an overwhelming amount of documentation available about every last facet of the rationale. it is not a debate worth having with you--it is just a kinda sad exercise in being-dissociative on your part.
what you typically do is work versions of teleological fallacy-based argument instead of addressing the problems: if someone says the war was not necessary, you will respond that it was because it happened. that is not an argument.
if someone talks about the false statements concerning the nuclear weapons procurement program or other wmds, you have a rationale.
if someone mentions that the administrations primary selling point for the war--an imaginary linkage between hussein and al qeada and the 9/11/2001 attacks, you dodge the matter and instead focus on hussein being a bad man--which is not in question--but of course there are american-sponsored dictators and american tolerated military juntas the world round and somehow this argument does not obtain for any of them, and there is no basis for statements that hussein was worse than any of them (i don't hear any calls from the right to do anything about burma on humanitarian grounds, for example, even before the storm hit, and they are a really brutal regime=--and you don't want to get me started about places like dr congo/ex-zaire, you really don't). what your arguments amount to are variants on the teleological fallacy again--hussein was the ostensible target, though for reasons that have since proven to be horseshit--and so the invasion was necessary because it happened.
btw i only sometimes use the word "lie" with reference to this mess of rickety-to-imaginary rationalizations for undertaking a total debacle in iraq on the part of the manly men of the neo-con set. a "lie" is a bit too simple a term.
on the other hand, most of the old neocons have scuttled away from bushworld like rats from a sinking ship, leaving only folk like you to carry water, to believe, to repeat.
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o yeah, i forgot one category the bush people are using against mclellan--"disgruntled"---which in the land of memes is associated with postal workers who snap and gun down their coworkers. it's a version of the space-alien kidnapping thesis, the replacement with a "leftist blogger"--a neat-o little residuum of the bad old days with bush admin pathologization of dissent had traction.
meanwhile, george the dissociator continues trying to tell people that iraq is really world war 2 with the difference that iraq, unlike world war 2, isn't over.
funny stuff.
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