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Originally Posted by ratbastid
The fact that Saddam Hussein was an enemy of Al Qaeda and had ZERO to do with 9/11 or any other attack on US interests is NOT a point of view.
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I agree that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. However, Saddam was an enemy of the US. Saddam was an on-going threat to peace in the ME.
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Regarding "terror", he was an innocent bystander. Brutal to Iraq's internal opposition, to be sure. Made a big mistake in Kuwait, which lost him the friendship of the Bush family and their cronies. But in NO way related to those who we need to "fight there so we don't have to fight here". Zero, none, zilch, zip. No connection. Unrelated.
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The people we need to fight are fighting us in Iraq. Those who most need to stand with us against terror are taking a stand with us in Irag. I would never use the word "innocent" regarding Saddam.
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The "point of view" that Iraq had ANYTHING to do with terrorism is a point of view that I acknowledge as a point of view, and respectfully assert is based on faulty information fed by an administration eager to sell an illegal war.
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People not in the administration had the same view of Saddam as Bush. Two were the Clintons.
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Originally Posted by host
ace, Bush was citing the trailers as fact, at the end of May, 2003, after they were found and inspected. Powell was repeating the already discredited gibberish from "curvebal", in Powell's Feb, 3, 2003 UN presentation:
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You think Bush did the intelligence work and feed it to Tenet? Or was it the CIA and Tenet who feed that information to Bush? Or do you think Bush made Tenet approve the faulty intelligence that he knew was wrong? I am not clear on your view.
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Originally Posted by Willravel
Maybe I should frame this differently. You like the free market, right?
Let's say I run PR for Pfizer. Everything is going fine. I make occasional statements on behalf of the company to the press regarding this and that. A particular Pfizer product, an antidepressant, starts causing the rather alarming side effect of cerebral hemorrhage, and it's a common side effect. The company either does bullshit research to cover their ass or is grossly incompetent and find no such link in their research. I go on TV and say "Pfizer isn't killing anyone". Well, Pfizer actually is killing people. Wouldn't that make me a liar?
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Yes.
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In his state of the Union in January of 2003, Bush has said that Iraq had 500 tons of chemical weapons including sarin, mustard and vx; he said they had upwards of 300,000 chemical weapons; he said they aid and protect terrorists including al Qaeda; he said Iraq had attempted to purchase metal tubes for nukes; he said that Iraq was trying to get uranium from Africa.
All of these claims are completely false.
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There is a difference between communicating false information that you think is correct and communicating false information you know is false.
If McClellan has proof showing Bush knew the intelligence was false, Bush is a lier.