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Originally Posted by abaya
Just FYI (although I see this thread has already degenerated in the direction I expected), if Clinton somehow gets the nomination, I'll fuckin' vote for her. However, that doesn't mean I can't still be critical of her mistakes as a candidate. I am an Obama supporter first and a Democrat voter next, at least when it comes to this election. But I still find it appalling that Hillary, so carefully schooled in the art of soundbites, made such a grievous error.
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abaya, what motivated you to embrace your conclusion so strongly that you also created and structured this thread, in the manner that you did?
Isn't there enough of this issueless "stuff" coming from the other side?
Consider what a difference two days and a sound bite from Clinton made on the opinion of this pundit:
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http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com...obama_does_it/
Obama Does It!
By M.J. Rosenberg - May 21, 2008, 6:55AM
Watching Obama last night, I had to shake myself. As he said, it's been a long road since Iowa. And he's not President yet.
Nonetheless, it is fitting to think about the amazing victory he has already won. Barring accident (God knows this is a violent country so that caveat is always in order), the Democratic party is going to nominate a black man for President of the United States.....
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com...usbut_rfk_was/
Hillary Reminds Us.....RFK Was Assassinated in June
By M.J. Rosenberg - May 23, 2008, 4:20PM
Sometimes there is simply nothing one can say. Words simply fail me....
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Why are you more upset by Clinton's remarks than the republican sympathizer, Randall Beck, an eyewitness to Clinton's statement and it's context, and RFK Jr., the son of the assaasination victim who Clinton referred to?
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http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/r.../view/?id=7807
5/23/2008
Statement from the Argus Leader
The Argus Leader’s Executive Editor Randell Beck issued the following statement today:
"The context of the question and answer with Sen. Clinton was whether her continued candidacy jeopardized party unity this close to the Democratic convention. Her reference to Mr. Kennedy's assassination appeared to focus on the timeline of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself."
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...clinton24.html
......It was in the context of discussions about her political future that Clinton made the remarks Friday, in a meeting with the editorial board of The Sioux Falls (S.D.) Argus Leader. She had said some people whom she did not name were trying to push her out of the race, but she noted that many races have gone on longer than hers........
...Bill Burton, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, said her statement "was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign.".....
....Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who has endorsed Clinton, defended her remarks in a telephone interview Friday evening.
"I've heard her make that argument before," Kennedy said. "It sounds like she was invoking a familiar historical circumstance in support of her argument for continuing her campaign."
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What influenced Bill Burton to say anything at all? He makes a condemnation of Clinton, of behalf of the Obama campaign, based on.....what? Isn't it on the spin of third parties who have interpreted what Clinton said, but who were not present?
We don't need to do this. What is the point of it? We are united in our goal of voting out the republican control of the executive branch, in 2008.
Both democratic candidates have battled to the point of exhaustion. I think we agree that Hillary can blame no one more than herself for her present, almost hopeless position.
Obama has run a better campaign, is more likeable, more exciting, and seems like he is going to win the nomination. I see no need for the negative gesture I perceive in doing thiis thread. I couild have doen a "57 States" thread, but that's something for the other side to feature.
I heard the sound bite, with Obama saying it like he meant it....I decided that he was tired....that's it....not unpresidential, just tired from campaigning. I'm not anti-Obama.....I'm impressed by him, but not inspired, and I am worried that he can't beat McCain, and I've posted why.
I think that Clinton has a better chance of beating McCain. I've posted why. Let's agree to leave it to the other side to attack both Obama and Clinton, and to vote in November for whoever is the democratic candidate running against McCain. Deal?