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Originally Posted by dc_dux
I'm still trying to get a handle why Ustwo and Seaver believe that the hundreds (if not thousands) of scientists who contributed to the work of the IPCC ...as well as the top 15 national academies of science in the world, 50+ other national and international bodies, etc...have no scientific integrity (they are "political")...
...yet the far far smaller number of scientists who are of a minority opinion (many with easily identifiable conflicts of interests with their work supported by energy interests) are credible and apolitical.... and the fact that no scientific body of any stature anywhere in the world support or endorse that minority position.
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Just because a group of "experts" says it's one way "apparently doesn't mean it's based on sound or unbiased scientific methodologies. For example, we are constantly told that the polar ice is melting away, but a recent report from NOAA says the opposite.
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Originally Posted by NOAA
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2008/mar/global.html#seaice
March 2008 Southern Hemisphere sea ice extent was much above the 1979-2000 mean. This was the largest sea ice extent in March (28.6% above the 1979-2000 mean) over the 30-year historical period, surpassing the previous record set in 1994 by 10.9%. Sea ice extent for March has increased at a rate of 4.2%/decade.
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So which is it?
I'm guessing some would say that the voice of the minority must always be protected. Our government is a representative form of government, but science is absolutely not a democratic process. We see on a daily basis the cracks forming (pun intended) in hardcore global warming activism. If we continue to close our minds to level thinking, jump to conclusions and say the discussion is over, then we risk rolling down the path of quick short-sighted feel-good measures like crop subsidies for ethanol production. The geniuses that pushed that through must not have considered the possibility of panic over the resulting world food shortage.
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EDIT - WOW, just took a look at posts from 5-10-08, you've been busy!
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dc_dux and host ... you get an A+ on your homework assignment. I step away for a little while and come back and take a peak at last week's posts to this thread to find lot's of cutting and pasting! Excellent work. I'll have your next assignments soon.
Where's raveneye when you need him?
Steven Milloy? Ustwo - I see why you've resurected the "Hypno Toad". ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!
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otto....start with the many "scientists" that Ustwo has linked to in the past at junkscience.com or Steven Milloy, the "scientist" who administers that site.....or from scientists cited by Mark Morano, the chief denier on the minority staff of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee |
Speaking of Steven Milloy, I think you guys really need to take "The Ultimate Global Warming Challenge!" Heck, you should be able to rack up a fast $500,000 with your consensus of scientists (be sure it's not the same consensus of scientists that predicted the next ice age in the 1970's).
Steven Milloy is in league with the Hypno Toad, controling our minds ...
OK, regarding the "consensus of scientists" ...
... this is from a May 16 blog (by Lawrence Solomon, author of The Deniers) about a new
petition signed by members from the mailing list of American Men and Women of Science (a who’s who of Science). They gathered approximately 32,000 signatures from which 9,000 have PhD's. The 32,000 is a significant increase of signatures since the 17,800 of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine’s Petition Project of 2001. Since the Oregon petition, most were
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outraged at Kyoto’s corruption of science, wrote to the Oregon Institute and its director, Arthur Robinson, asking that the petition be brought back.
“E-mails started coming in every day,” he explained. “And they kept coming. “ The writers were outraged at the way Al Gore and company were abusing the science to their own ends. “We decided to do the survey again.”
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The full blog article can be found at
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...0-deniers.aspx
A note on "The Deniers" and author Lawrence Solomon.
The National Post's sensational series on scientists who buck the conventional wisdom on climate science. Written by Lawrence Solomon, the series profiles the ideas and the scientists who do not share the “consensus” United Nations’ theories on climate change and global warming. Read them all."
So my friends, the question goes 'round and 'round ... "How many scientists does it take to establish that a consensus does not exist on global warming?"