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echo5delta, we got something for everyone in our "bag of tricks", this AM..... an answer to your question about former enlisted military in the ranks of the retired military consultants, working for the networks, and a little nugget for you, too, Seaver!
My question is.....does the ideology of the military establishment, polluted with their openly partisan leanings, give them, with the influence of their neocon allies....the "balls"....to actually provide the "antidote" (punishment) for the American voters electing democrats? Are they sick, sick, desparate delusional people, or are they sitll as dangerous as they've already demonstrated they can be?
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http://www.dailytexanonline.com/news...-2330453.shtml
10/4/06
Protests, insults disrupt Kristol 9/11 speech
By Cara Henis
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William Kristol speaks about changes in American politics following the events from 9/11 Tuesday evening, while Dean James Steinberg looks on.
A speech by William Kristol, former chief of staff for former vice president Dan Quayle and editor of The Weekly Standard magazine, turned hostile Tuesday when students began hurling insults at Kristol, alleging his and the U.S. government's complicity in the Sept. 11 attacks.
"9/11 is your Pearl Harbor," said one student protestor, referring to a pre-Sept. 11 statement released by the Project for a New American Century, a conservative think tank Kristol chairs.
In a Sept. 2000 report titled "Rebuilding America's Defenses, " the group wrote, "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, <h3>absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."</h3>
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24629509/
Audio of Rumsfeld on Iraq creates buzz
Audio of luncheon with media military analysts posted on Newsvine
MSNBC
updated 7:47 p.m. ET, Wed., May. 14, 2008
......The clips Gillis provides include one in which the media analysts suggest, with Rumsfeld's agreement, that Iraq needs an authoritarian dictator. In another, Rumsfeld suggests that the American public lacked the "maturity" to understand that the nation remained under threat from terrorists and that the only "correction" would be another attack on the U.S........
DELONG: Politically, what are the challenges because you're not going to have a lot of sympathetic ears up there.
RUMSFELD: That's what I was just going to say. This President's pretty much a victim of success. We haven't had an attack in five years. The perception of the threat is so low in this society that it's not surprising that the behavior pattern reflects a low threat assessment. The same thing's in Europe, there's a low threat perception. <h3>The correction for that, I suppose, is an attack.</h3> And when that happens, then everyone gets energized for another [inaudible] and it's a shame we don't have the maturity to recognize the seriousness of the threats...the lethality, the carnage, that can be imposed on our society is so real and so present and so serious that you'd think we'd be able to understand it, but as a society, the longer you get away from 9/11, the less...the less... December 12, 2006.
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<h3>Background:</h3>
There is a retired army Command Sgt. Major, (#10 On the list below, of Rumsfeld luncheon attendees....)
http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/.../enlisted.html
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http://jfxgillis.newsvine.com/_news/...onald-rumsfeld
<img src="http://www.newsvine.com/_vine/images/users/nws/jfxgillis/1482374.jpg">
<h5>This is apparently the list of attendees at Secretary Rumsfeld's valedictory luncheon with the military analysts.</h5>
On Thursday, May 8, <a href="http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/rdroom.html">the Department of Defense released to the public<a> all the items they had turned over to the New York Times. One item that was released that has generated no notice in the media accounts so far is an audio recording of a valedictory luncheon Rumsfeld hosted for those analysts on December 12, 2006--a month after Rumsfeld had been cashiered by President Bush and only a few days before Rumsfeld's replacement Robert Gates assumed the post of Secretary of Defense. The file, very large, is <a href="http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/milanalysts/23%20Apr%2008/Audio%20Files/SecDef%20with%20mil%20analysts%2012.12.06.wav">here</a>
The recording is just over an hour long, so I clipped a few of the more notable moments. By "notable" I mean "at times chilling, infuriating, even shocking."
<h3>"We Can't Win"</h3>
In one of the first substantive comments Rumsfeld makes, the second clip from the top (0:36), he explains carefully that while the USA is involved in asymmetric warfare, we can't lose militarily--but we can't win militarily, either.
.....<h3>The Correction</h3>
Finally, let's get to politics. Pure, unadulterated partisan politics. One of the questioners, I think probably Lt. General Michael DeLong (USMC, Ret)--you can hear Rumsfeld address "Mike" earlier in the question and there's only one Michael in the room--opens a "way, way off the record" question by trashing Senator Carl Levin, the incoming chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and Representative Silvestre Reyes, the incoming Chair of the House Intelligence Committee, then tries to goad Rumsfeld into joining in by suggesting the "we have a really rough two years coming." Rumsfeld rambles on about European demographics, Chinese cyberwar and smallpox as a bio-weapon before the questioner prods him back on topic by asking, "Politically, what are the challenges because you're not going to have a lot of sympathetic ears up there [on Capitol Hill]?" which is where I pick up the clip (1:17).(Clip 6)
Rumsfeld's answer is nothing short of stunning. No, not the part where he claims Bush is a "Victim of his success." That's just stupid. And no, after hearing his previous insult to the American public, his condemnation of us because "we don't have the maturity" to recognize the threat of terrorism--the further we get from 9/11, the less and less . . . he trails off. But that's not shocking, nor is his doomsday scenario, all things considered.
So let's summarize. According to Rumsfeld and his media sycophants, America has real problems: We're weak-willed, we're immature, we're forgetting what happened, <h2>and oh my God, we've elected Democrats to Congress. So, what's the "Correction" for those problems? Listen to him:</h2>
<h3>Another 9/11 attack.</h3>
Actually, I think I'll have a liquid lunch, too.
Correction:
Command Sergeant Major Steven Greer (USA, Ret), who attended the luncheon, has informed me that the liquid in the "Liquid Lunch" was non-alcoholic, iced tea in his case, and that alcohol was not served at these functions. Therefore, the impression I create of the consumption of alcohol at the luncheon is false.
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