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Old 05-13-2008, 07:58 AM   #28 (permalink)
Jinn
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
this is also wrong and it could also be further extended that the 'greater good' could be accomplished by surrendering all rights. would that work for you?
Do you counter every point by putting words in someone's mouth? No, that does not work for me.

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You're also completely wrong. Am I a danger to society?
Are you a convicted felon? If so, yes. I have no problem lumping ALL convicted felons into a "dangerous to civil society" group. If they have a problem with that, then they shouldn't be committing felonies. It's not a blind prejudice, because they've CHOSEN to commit the crime or crimes which result in felony convictions. The also, statistically speaking, shown a blanket disregard for society's rules.

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If the law is wrong, i'm not obeying the damn thing. LAWS do not bind society. FREEDOM binds society. this is the founders concept that the government and nanny staters have brainwashed you away from.
I'm sorry to destroy your Anarchist dream, but freedom only happens when we actively work to prevent those who would harm us from continuing to do so. There will always be people who victimize others, regardless of the scarcity or abundance of laws. The laws, however, exist to remove individuals from society when they begin to harm society's ability to live a free, SAFE life.

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so how many laws have you broken today?
At least three. I exceeded the posted speed limit, I failed to come to a complete stop, and I executed a left hand turn without having my turn signal blinking for 400 feet.

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do we as americans now serve the state(people)?
No. But most of us don't have a chip on our shoulder about the legislative system and how it's keeping you down.

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as time goes on and more crimes are converted to felonies, would society be safer? lets make every crime from murder to turning without using a signal a felony then.
Again, slippery slope / putting words in my mouth. Is there any indication that this is happening? What crime that was not previously a felony is now a felony?

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I will continue to disregard laws I feel are illegal, like license requirements, and have done so for over 10 years. To this date i've killed noone, hit noone, hurt noone, or endangered noone. what purpose does the 'requirement' serve? absolutely none. Why? because the 'license' doesn't MAKE me safer for society, my responsibility behind the wheel MAKES me safer. get the concept?
I don't even think I need to respond to this one. Most CIVIL individuals, whether conservative or liberal, Democrat, Republican or Independent, man or woman, agree that licensing requirements for the operation of a motor vehicle are A VERY GOOD THING, considering the number of fatalities caused by MV accidents far exceeds those caused by any other violent crime. Your failure to understand this demonstrates you inability to understand the concept of a "greater good", and, in my opinion, demonstrates everything that exemplifies immaturity.
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