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Originally Posted by JinnKai
In cases where public safety and security are concerned, the Amendments can and have been suspended. For example, "Terry stops", where an officer is allowed to pat a suspect down for weapons or dangerous items, skirts the Fourth Amendment because they operate in good faith to ensure the safety of the public.
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There are very specific criteria to be met in order for a terry stop to be performed. I've read many cases where cops assume they can do this everytime, and have been proven wrong in court.
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Originally Posted by JinnKai
Likewise, the First Amendment right to speech and assembly can be temporarily suspended in order to prevent riots and violent demonstrations, when it can be shown that it 'serves the greater good' to temporarily suspend someone's rights.
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this is also wrong and it could also be further extended that the 'greater good' could be accomplished by surrendering all rights. would that work for you?
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Originally Posted by JinnKai
In the case of felons, they've committed crimes so offensive or repetitive that we, as a country, believe they should have certain rights removed to prevent them from continuing to do harm. Someone who is arrested for twice driving under revocation represents a clear danger to society, I'm sorry.
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You're also completely wrong. Am I a danger to society?
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Originally Posted by JinnKai
I can't really tell if you're saying that you've been arrested for such, but it demonstrates a CLEAR disrespect for the laws which bind the rest of society.
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If the law is wrong, i'm not obeying the damn thing. LAWS do not bind society. FREEDOM binds society. this is the founders concept that the government and nanny staters have brainwashed you away from.
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Originally Posted by JinnKai
only good survey I could find with a quick Google search, the average felon has TEN previous convictions before their felony conviction. That means that they've got a pattern of law-disregarding behavior. Whether this is driving under suspension or DUI, it's an indicator about that person and what they believe.
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so how many laws have you broken today?
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Originally Posted by JinnKai
It serves the public to retain the DNA of convicted felons, as they, quite astonishingly, have a RECORD of past convictions and are likely to commit additional crimes if ever released from prison.
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do we as americans now serve the state(people)?
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Originally Posted by JinnKai
You might not like being lumped into a group who statistically patterns their behavior into a life of crime, but if you've been convicted of a felony it was your choice to join that group, not mine.
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as time goes on and more crimes are converted to felonies, would society be safer? lets make every crime from murder to turning without using a signal a felony then.
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Originally Posted by JinnKai
Suspending the rights of one to ensure the quality of life of the majority is an important part of governance.
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It's also one of the reasons that the founders rebelled against the english.
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Originally Posted by JinnKai
ld be exercised with care, and we should only revoke rights for the common good when someone has demonstrated the ability to commit felonious crimes or repeatedly disregard laws for the safety of the populace, like driver's licensing requirements.
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I will continue to disregard laws I feel are illegal, like license requirements, and have done so for over 10 years. To this date i've killed noone, hit noone, hurt noone, or endangered noone. what purpose does the 'requirement' serve? absolutely none. Why? because the 'license' doesn't MAKE me safer for society, my responsibility behind the wheel MAKES me safer. get the concept?
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Originally Posted by willravel
If you don't like a law, change it. Don't just break it like a common criminal.
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this from the person who advocates civil disobedience from time to time?