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i dont really play in these threads any more because they're essentially always the same thing-filtherton is right in that a commitment to "logic" (which is really just a formal procedure) does not and cannot lead you one way or another on the a/theism question because in logical terms, belief or non-belief is an axiom. your use of logic presupposes it, and so does not and cannot demonstrate it.
on the other hand, if you think about being-in-the-world as processes or through the metaphor of emergence (complex dynamic systems theory, say) it is pretty obvious that logic, as it is built off of the way sentences stage the world, provides incomplete and refracted access to the world--this need not lead you in any particular direction in terms of the a/theism division--but it does point to a potential underlying driver that pushed folk on both sides along, which is their capacity to deal with uncertainty or incompleteness.
for some reason, incompleteness seems to spook people and drives them to more rigid relations to the procedures and frames of reference that situate them than it really makes sense to have, if you think about it at a remove.
i've said this before, all of it, really (this is the effect of the sameness of the threads)---but you cannot account for the processes that go into making a sentence in terms shaped by the sentences that you make. incompleteness is all around you. it's constituitive of being-in-the-world. this doesn't mean that anything goes, that rigor doesn't matter in games that call for rigor--but it does mean that there are fundamental dimensions of being that you don't know about---but not knowing does not require that you therefore go running to a god to enable you to pretend that at some level or another the situation is otherwise any more than it should prompt you to make ludicrous claims about the comprehensiveness of logic's ability to account for the world.
you just don't know.
systems are incomplete.
it's just like that.
boo.
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