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Originally Posted by Derwood
Give me a reasonable, legitimate reason for anyone to smoke ever
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It's pleasurable.
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Originally Posted by filtherton
What, like James Dobson?
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I didn't identify your position as being Dobson's, I noted a significant similarity. And it's still there.
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We have these things called permission slips, whereby a parent makes a decision on behalf of a child. It's pretty standard, and it has nothing to do with fraud. So assuming permission slips could be applied to employment, I presume you'd have no problem with child labor. Are there any other reasons you wouldn't want children working, or is fraud the only one?
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With a permission slip? Presuming that the parents aren't glaringly callous to the well-being of the child, this could be okay. Is there a 'gotcha' situation you'd like to hit me with?
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Obviously it isn't very effective to walk onto someone else's property and start making health decisions for the owner, but that doesn't mean the idea is borne of a lack of sound judgment.
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As the smoking bans have shown, it actually can be very effective to do just that.
And yeah, it does mean that. Taking a gift and insisting that it be modified to your liking is unreasonable.
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I would remind you that you aren't the sole arbiter of the definition of "sound judgment".
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I'm starting to wonder exactly what your point here is. Is it that I'm fallible, that I can have mistaken ideas? I'm well aware. But it doesn't - and nor should it - prevent me from taking stances that appeal to my reason and empathy.
If you're only saying that I
could be wrong, well, duh.
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All I'm saying is that the fact that you think it is unreasonable doesn't actually make it unreasonable.
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I don't decree it unreasonable, I recognize it as unreasonable.
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You did. You hide behind accusations of authoritarianism
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No, I didn't, and no, I didn't. Read the posts again, more carefully this time.
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yet can't acknowledge the little authoritarian inside of you.
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Yeah, I can. Go back. More carefully this time.
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Based on that definition, you are absolutely a proponent of authoritarianism,
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That wasn't a definition of authoritarianism. More carefully this time.
And I explained in the very next post that child labor does, y'know, actually effect people personally. People who might not have the power and/or authority to escape from such a situation, should it turn harmful. Unlike with adults and restaurant smoking.
But it's so much easier to pretend this nuance doesn't exist, that I must hate ALL authoritarianism or NONE of it! Or, when you tire of that pretension, to pretend that I didn't define the supposedly arbitrary line. The strawman or the deafman.
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If you want to change your definition of authoritarianism, then by all means.
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Right after you stop beating your wife.
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What's that you say? I'm right any you're going to send me a check for $50,000,000,000,000 dollars?
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Yeah, exactly, that sort of stuff. Only you were a little more subtle before.