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Originally Posted by FoolThemAll
I hope this was just a silly strawman.
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What, like James Dobson?
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In case you missed it, I'm against fraud, too. I think that the government should act to prevent and to punish fraud. And forging a contract with someone incapable of understanding the contract and its costs? That's unavoidably fraud by omission.
Now that I've spelled out the nuance a little more, maybe you won't ignore it.
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We have these things called permission slips, whereby a parent makes a decision on behalf of a child. It's pretty standard, and it has nothing to do with fraud. So assuming permission slips could be applied to employment, I presume you'd have no problem with child labor. Are there any other reasons you wouldn't want children working, or is fraud the only one?
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You aren't a very good word lawyer. 'Reasonable' also means 'sound judgment'. The meaning isn't nearly as narrow as you suggest.
The idea that you are entitled to walk onto someone else's property and start making health decisions for the owner due to your mere presence - which was a privilege in the first place - there's no way to explain that idea as anything other than poor judgment. Try.
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Obviously it isn't very effective to walk onto someone else's property and start making health decisions for the owner, but that doesn't mean the idea is borne of a lack of sound judgment. I would remind you that you aren't the sole arbiter of the definition of "sound judgment". You only think it's poor judgment because it bothers you from an ideological perspective; it's something you'd never do. So it's only natural that you'd question the judgment of someone who walked onto someone else's property and start making health decisions for the owner. All I'm saying is that the fact that you think it is unreasonable doesn't actually make it unreasonable.
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I never said otherwise. You chose to indulge in oversimplification, you shades of gray lover you.
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You did. You hide behind accusations of authoritarianism, yet can't acknowledge the little authoritarian inside of you. Or is your only problem with child labor really the fact that you don't think kids aren't mature enough to sign contracts? There are a lot of good reasons to be against child labor...
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It's a good thing I had no such argument!
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Here's the thing, when you were trying to tell me that I was James Dobson's secret lover you defined authoritarianism as
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people using government to enforce their personal preferences on privately-owned areas that need not ever effect them personally
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Based on that definition, you are absolutely a proponent of authoritarianism, no matter how much you hem and haw over the details of worker safety regulations or child labor laws. If you want to change your definition of authoritarianism, then by all means. Something a little less inclusive might suit the consistency of your perspective more.
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It's too bad that we haven't gotten past the idea that posts can say what we want them to say, regardless of what was actually typed.
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What's that you say? I'm right any you're going to send me a check for $50,000,000,000,000 dollars?