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Old 05-08-2008, 09:04 PM   #144 (permalink)
FoolThemAll
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You can't have it both ways. Either you support the free market or you are apparently a nosy authoritarian. Which are you?
I hope this was just a silly strawman.

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Unfortunately, the ability of children to effectively make decisions is completely irrelevant when it comes to people using government to enforce their personal preferences on privately-owned areas that need not ever effect them personally. So what if children can't make decisions? Why does that have anything to do with telling a private business person who they can and can't employ? Do you think we should limit advertising directed at children too? I thought you were against nosy authoritarianism.
My hope fulfilled.

In case you missed it, I'm against fraud, too. I think that the government should act to prevent and to punish fraud. And forging a contract with someone incapable of understanding the contract and its costs? That's unavoidably fraud by omission.

Now that I've spelled out the nuance a little more, maybe you won't ignore it.

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I'd link to the definition of the word "reason" but I'm pretty sure you know how to use google. Reason is not defined with respect to a certain ideological position, it is defined with respect to the structure of ideas.
You aren't a very good word lawyer. 'Reasonable' also means 'sound judgment'. The meaning isn't nearly as narrow as you suggest.

The idea that you are entitled to walk onto someone else's property and start making health decisions for the owner due to your mere presence - which was a privilege in the first place - there's no way to explain that idea as anything other than poor judgment. Try.

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Originally Posted by Derwood
how about an island somewhere in the Arctic Circle?
How considerate of you! I don't know where in the world I got this misconception of anti-smoking zealots as unreasonable. Bless you, sir!

It just keeps getting easier and easier to sympathise with these cancer spewers.

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Originally Posted by filtherton
Notice FTA's stance on authoritarianism with respect to smoking bans vs FTA's stance on authoritarianism with respect to child labor laws. Clearly it isn't authoritarianism he rejects, but the extent to which it is employed.
I never said otherwise. You chose to indulge in oversimplification, you shades of gray lover you.

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There's nothing invalid with this way of looking at things, it just isn't the kind of perspective that can be defended with arguments that would seem to reject authoritarianism altogether.
It's a good thing I had no such argument!

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at least we've gotten beyond the idea that the only reasonable position is the one that we agree with.
It's too bad that we haven't gotten past the idea that posts can say what we want them to say, regardless of what was actually typed.
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