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Originally Posted by robot_parade
Oh, come on. Aren't we done with the anti-global-warming thing? No? Ok, whatever.
Here's a link to a summary of what the Nature paper in question actually says:
[LINK=http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2008/05/decade_break_in_global_warming.html]Nature blog[/LINK]
So, actually some fascinating science going on, which doesn't really have much bearing on the longer term global warming/climate change issues. We've known all along that global warming doesn't mean a constantly warming planet, with no 'cold snaps' or other variations. It means that, to the best of our current scientific knowledge, the amount of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases that we're putting into the atmosphere are going to cause climate change on a global scale, causing significant warming in a relatively short time.
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Only it DOESN'T the models don't work PERIOD. Its garbage in garbage out, its not science, its a videogame.
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Personally, I don't think it's the most critical environmental problem we have right now, but climate change like what is predicted will almost certainly cause a lot of disruption and suffering - places that are habitable (and inhabited) by people are going to become a lot less friendly very quickly. People will starve to death.
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Calling it climate change is a way to de-politicize the issue, but its a meaningless statement. The climate will change, and when it changes some places will be better off and some places worse off, perhaps they will grow fine wine in England again like the good old days. Its GOING to change, hell climate change is in part blamed for the fall of the Roman Empire, but the question is if WE are causing it.
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Obviously I'm not going to convince you, Ustwo, and I don't really have time to counter every single right-winger anti-global warming talking point you can come up with, so maybe I shouldn't have responded at all.
However, I have to say, I find the right-wing's anti-science bias truly shocking. On environmental issues (anti-global-warming, anti-acid-rain), economics (worship of free markets and unregulated capitalism), even basic cosmology, physics, and biology (creationism, anti-evolutionism, anti-vaccination), it's a truly sick culture of denial, evasion, and obfuscation. Any good ideas on the right (smaller government, eschewing onerous regulation, balanced budget...) are drowned out by the crazies.
End rant.
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Angry man is angry, angry man went off on tangents which have nothing to do with what we were talking about.
I'm an atheist with 2 biology degrees on top of my professional ones, if you want to rant about the Church Lady, do it elsewhere.
Lots of idiots are on the right, well lets get into powercrystals, 9/11 was done by GWB, PeTA, people talking about the spirit of the earth, and the like on the left.
They are unimportant in this thread, as is your rant.