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Originally Posted by FoolThemAll
Heh. Okay, sure. The proban crowd tends to be a bit irritating, though!
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Maybe you should step outside for some "fresh air".
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If your aim is simply to make a bunch of generalized, one-sided statements implicitly demeaning the anti-ban side, statements juuust general enough to be true without being useful, statements that just. as. easily. apply to your side, well, you should've said so. It looked like you were commenting on the issue, rather than the unobjectively observed appearances of the issue.
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I was just describing the situation as I saw it. It wasn't meant to be useful. I think you'll be hard pressed to find any statements on this subject of any use. And yes, my statements are general, they are summaries of my experiences. I am sorry if you assumed that I was talking about you when I wasn't. Do you want me to name names or something? Let me tell you, my friend Joeyjoejoe Junior Shabadoo is practically a socialist, except when it comes to smoking bans.
If you say so.
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I see plenty of differences, none of which defeat my point on their similarity: people using government to enforce their personal preferences on privately-owned areas that need not ever effect them personally.
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Okay, so I'm like James Dobson in some relatively insignificant way. That's fine. As long as he doesn't try to suck my dick (he's one of those secretly gay antigay conservatives, right?), I mean, I probably wouldn't stop him, because, whatever, but my girlfriend would be probably get upset. I don't have a problem with worker safety regulations or child labor laws either, despite the fact that they are the result of people using government to enforce their personal preferences on privately-owned areas that need not ever effect them personally. I guess I just don't care all that much about the rights of private business people.
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And that's in addition to your defense of people who are obnoxious (you won't smoke on your property while I'M here!) and destructive (I don't care if your sales tank!). We're not so different, you and I.
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I'll agree with you that there are plenty of nonsmokers who are obnoxious, I appreciate the fact that they're obnoxious in a generally non-carcinogenic way. As for tanking sales, that sucks-- though you'd think sales would suffer continuously, given that smoking kills people. I guess it's just a reminder of why it's a bad idea to rely on addicts for loyalty. Oddly enough, there are plenty of restaurants in my city, one of the colder ones, that are doing great despite a county-wide ban. There's a lesson in here somewhere about the irrepressible spirit and ingenuity of the American entrepreneur.