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Originally Posted by FoolThemAll
Acting on orders from those obnoxious guests.
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What's your point?
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Why should I? Those broad, axiomatic notions are perfectly sufficient. It's not different in any significant way from banning smoking in private homes. Require all the skull-and-bones door warnings you want, make it perfectly clear that a bar may carry health risks (you don't say!), but recognize your completely unfettered ability to leave buildings you don't like.
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I never said you shouldn't. All I said was that any attempts to convince you otherwise would be as effective as trying to convince Mike Huckabee that god isn't real and so it is a useless thing to argue about.
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And they could do a lot better. Let's not settle for 'mediocre'.
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In this instance, I happen to think that "mediocre" is just fine.
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FUD?
I disagree that such arguments aren't using reason.
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Yes, they use reason, but they rely on FUD.
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Not in the slightest. Framing it as a matter of "the gravest, most serious injustice since Hitler had a bad day" would show a lack of perspective. But framing it as a matter of justice is just plain accurate.
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If you want to dilute the word "justice" then by all means.
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The ACLU wasn't defending racism and I'm not defending smoking. If you're just saying that it can look otherwise to some lazy thinkers, well sure, but I couldn't care less about them. They'll be lazy thinkers no matter what I do.
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I'm not saying that you're defending smoking, or that the ACLU is defending racism. What I said was that you are essentially taking a de facto pro-smoking position on a matter of principle. Your personal opinion of smoking is irrelevant-- any success you have will mean success for smokers. You and the ACLU happen to be in the position of defending the right of people to be obnoxious and destructive. I'm not hating, I'm not saying it isn't noble, or net admirable to a limited extent, it's just a tough position to be in.
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With the passage of these "matters of public health" concerning private property, I'm aware that it's not very simple. I'm arguing that it should be.
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Nothing is ever simple when people are involved.