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Slims · 04-29-2008, 08:58 AM

One of the points I failed to adequately make in my above post is that the success or failure of any insurgency is tied to the support of the local populace. If the people support your effort, an insurgency has potential to be successful, provided you have (or can acquire) a means to fight. If they don't support you, you don't even have a chance. Thus, the second amendment will only help the overthrow of a government which has wronged it's people to the point where the majority of the population is willing to support armed revolution against it. requires the sort of collective will which I would think the liberals on this board would be in full support of.

To once again address Will's post: if the only threat to you is IED's, it is easily mitigated by dismounted foot patrols, heavily armored vehicles, helicopters, etc. IED's have to be used in conjunction with other methods.

I.E. a string of IED attacks will force the enemy to start foot patrols off of the roads, where they may be more easily ambushed and killed with small arms. Or to use helicopters which will force them to use certain HLZ's. Or to stay buttoned up in a heavily armored vehicle, which severely restricts mobility and will force them to push armor into terrain that is less than ideal, where they can be effectively engaged by INS with captured munitions.

You can initiate with an IED, but if you want to be able to get close enough to capture the enemies supplies, weapons, medicines, food, and explosives you need firearms in order to clear into an objective. Captured supplies are a major source of equipment for those fighting an insurgency, and an IED-only approach would eliminate that resource.

If you feel explosives, and not firearms, are the only effective way for an oppressed people to revolt, then would you be in favor of an amendment guaranteeing the right to own explosive devices?

Oh, and USTWO, your Heinlein quote is a favorite between my wife and I. It is a shame people seem to default responsibility to any other person or entity they can. We feel responsibility for your own actions and well being is something to be embraced, because doing so is the only way to have control over your own destiny.

04-29-2008, 08:58 AM	#73 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	One of the points I failed to adequately make in my above post is that the success or failure of any insurgency is tied to the support of the local populace. If the people support your effort, an insurgency has potential to be successful, provided you have (or can acquire) a means to fight. If they don't support you, you don't even have a chance. Thus, the second amendment will only help the overthrow of a government which has wronged it's people to the point where the majority of the population is willing to support armed revolution against it. requires the sort of collective will which I would think the liberals on this board would be in full support of. To once again address Will's post: if the only threat to you is IED's, it is easily mitigated by dismounted foot patrols, heavily armored vehicles, helicopters, etc. IED's have to be used in conjunction with other methods. I.E. a string of IED attacks will force the enemy to start foot patrols off of the roads, where they may be more easily ambushed and killed with small arms. Or to use helicopters which will force them to use certain HLZ's. Or to stay buttoned up in a heavily armored vehicle, which severely restricts mobility and will force them to push armor into terrain that is less than ideal, where they can be effectively engaged by INS with captured munitions. You can initiate with an IED, but if you want to be able to get close enough to capture the enemies supplies, weapons, medicines, food, and explosives you need firearms in order to clear into an objective. Captured supplies are a major source of equipment for those fighting an insurgency, and an IED-only approach would eliminate that resource. If you feel explosives, and not firearms, are the only effective way for an oppressed people to revolt, then would you be in favor of an amendment guaranteeing the right to own explosive devices? Oh, and USTWO, your Heinlein quote is a favorite between my wife and I. It is a shame people seem to default responsibility to any other person or entity they can. We feel responsibility for your own actions and well being is something to be embraced, because doing so is the only way to have control over your own destiny. __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence Last edited by Slims; 04-29-2008 at 09:03 AM..