You see it your way, I'll see it mine. I just see these idiots as failed experiments, but I'm a Darwinist. Your experience may dictate a different answer, which is why I gave options.
As far as your other question, you obviously forgot about this thread:
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...t=urethra+play
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