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Frosstbyte · 04-25-2008, 07:25 AM

Whether you read or respond to this, I'm going to respond. What I value most in games is the ability for people to set and realistically achieve goals and to feel like they're progressing. What TBC has done best is allow people to continue to do that at all levels of play through increasingly high ilvl badge loot and the arena system. It's not perfect game design, but it's worlds ahead of the idiocy of the old rank-based pvp system and the loot gap between 5 mans and 20 mans and Naxx.

Of course you don't need the best gear so you can compete, but it's fun to upgrade. It's a sense of accomplishment, of time spent having a return. You can LOLACCOMPLISHMENTINAVIDEOGAMEWAT all you want, but no one does anything if they don't feel like they're getting something back. In WoW, the only thing to "get back" is gear and gold, which people use to get new gear anyway. There's nothing free about spending two hours every week for at least a month to get one piece of gear. And certainly there's nothing free amount the absolutely stupid amounts of time required to acquire any of the honor-bought gear. For most people, I expect arena to be exactly that-an alternate method of getting gear and getting upgrades. For people who are serious about pvp, I expect that arena will be a place where they can compete with each other to be the best. For the former, doing the work in whatever bracket they compete in, the gear is the reward. For the latter, the gear is means by which the goal of being the best team on the battlegroup can be achieved.

I see no reason why both of those systems cannot coexist without conflict, and I don't know why you or blizzard or anyone else would be so dead set on making sure they can't.

I understand the prestige of the shoulders and the raw power of the weapons, but putting rating requirements on everything else accomplishes nothing positive. It's only function is to dress up the system like it's actually competitive and fair and "e-sport" ready. It isn't, it's not and it never will be. The game simply isn't designed to work in that way.

04-25-2008, 07:25 AM	#2411 (permalink)
Frosstbyte Winter is Coming Location: The North	Whether you read or respond to this, I'm going to respond. What I value most in games is the ability for people to set and realistically achieve goals and to feel like they're progressing. What TBC has done best is allow people to continue to do that at all levels of play through increasingly high ilvl badge loot and the arena system. It's not perfect game design, but it's worlds ahead of the idiocy of the old rank-based pvp system and the loot gap between 5 mans and 20 mans and Naxx. Of course you don't need the best gear so you can compete, but it's fun to upgrade. It's a sense of accomplishment, of time spent having a return. You can LOLACCOMPLISHMENTINAVIDEOGAMEWAT all you want, but no one does anything if they don't feel like they're getting something back. In WoW, the only thing to "get back" is gear and gold, which people use to get new gear anyway. There's nothing free about spending two hours every week for at least a month to get one piece of gear. And certainly there's nothing free amount the absolutely stupid amounts of time required to acquire any of the honor-bought gear. For most people, I expect arena to be exactly that-an alternate method of getting gear and getting upgrades. For people who are serious about pvp, I expect that arena will be a place where they can compete with each other to be the best. For the former, doing the work in whatever bracket they compete in, the gear is the reward. For the latter, the gear is means by which the goal of being the best team on the battlegroup can be achieved. I see no reason why both of those systems cannot coexist without conflict, and I don't know why you or blizzard or anyone else would be so dead set on making sure they can't. I understand the prestige of the shoulders and the raw power of the weapons, but putting rating requirements on everything else accomplishes nothing positive. It's only function is to dress up the system like it's actually competitive and fair and "e-sport" ready. It isn't, it's not and it never will be. The game simply isn't designed to work in that way. Last edited by Frosstbyte; 04-25-2008 at 07:38 AM..