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Old 04-22-2008, 04:26 PM   #5 (permalink)
aceventura3
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Originally Posted by dc_dux
We discussed this bill pretty thoroughly in Up in Smoke.

My position hasnt changed.
I never read the thread you referenced above. Regardless, if my view on this issue is here or in the other thread, after researching the issue I came to my own conclusions and you can read my views.

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ace...when mentioning Phillip Morris' support, you neglected to mention the fact that the bill is also supported by over 600 national/state/local organizations, including every major national health related organization.
I did not neglect to mention the full amount of support for the bill, it simply is not relevant to my view and certainly doesn't change the fact that Phillip Morris will be the primary benefactor of this legislation with a virtual lock on the US tobacco market - even more so than the one they currently have. If you are disputing that supposition, then we have something to discuss. If I am wrong, I might suffer financial consequences - so I am very interested in the views of others on this topic. I think investing in Phillip Morris if this legislation passes would be like investing in a 30 year AAA rated corporate bond paying over 5% with the potential for capital appreciation and increasing dividend payments.

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Compromises were made.......so its not a perfect bill.....so what....it is addressing a national health issue...you have to start somewhere.
I disagree. I don't think good starting points are when you compromise your principles. If I thought smoking was as harmful to society as some say it is, I could not support it being legal. If I worked at the FDA with the following mission:

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The FDA is responsible for protecting the public health by assuring the safety, efficacy, and security of human and veterinary drugs, biological products, medical devices, our nation’s food supply, cosmetics, and products that emit radiation. The FDA is also responsible for advancing the public health by helping to speed innovations that make medicines and foods more effective, safer, and more affordable; and helping the public get the accurate, science-based information they need to use medicines and foods to improve their health.
http://www.fda.gov/opacom/morechoices/mission.html

I could not support smoking being legal.


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Before focusing any further inflammatory charges solely on Waxman and the 189 Dem co-sponosrs (or Kennedy, the lead sponsor on the Senate version), you should know that a similar bill introduced by Repub Senator Dewine in 2004 passed by UNANIMOUS consent in the Republican Senate, only to be stalled in the House.

If you really want to make it partisan....follow the money and which party received more tobacco money over the last 20 years:
Total tobacco industry contributions - nearly $60 million
26% to Democrats and 74% to Republicans


I understand your point here, but it does not have any impact on the points I have made.

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Originally Posted by Ustwo
I feel dirty, but thats exactly what I thought while reading this.
Why feel dirty for loving this country?
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