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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
since socialism is in direct conflict with the ideas of american freedom and liberty, yes, they are considered crazy.
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And I consider many of the ideas that the United States puts forward including the ones like the liberty and freedom to buy a product who's sole purpose is to kill instead of ones that might actually help society.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
so your idea of socialism is defined as 'the people are, at best, subjects to be ordered about to produce products for the benefit of society as a whole, neither free to preserve their life or of their families, and that they should believe they are strictly a commodity to be protected at the whim of their government while victimized by an elite group of criminals who can kill as many people as desired since they will eventually be caught. only then can we have utopia.
do I have that right?
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Yes people should work towards the betterment and benefit of society as a whole.
I have never said that people are a commodity and it should not be the "whim" of the government to protect its people, it should be the mandate of the government.
As far as being "victimized" by this elite group of criminals, last time I looked out the window I don't live in some frontier where gangs of outlaws run rampant and I need a gun to protect the homestead because the nearest form of law enforcement is a half days ride. I live in a city. The nearest law enforcement is about a 10 minute walk.