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Originally Posted by pan6467
And your attitude is why moderate Dems are going to leave the party in droves. I was a very proud Dem at one time, and much like Lebell stated above, I posted hate and anger and realized I wasn't doing a damned thing to better the country that way.
Your hatred and anger you decided not to read my post or took out only what you want.
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pan....in fact, by nearly every measure, the Democratic party is growing, due in large part to the influx of moderate Independents and young people as a result of Bush's actions over the last seven years.
One only need to look at recently elected moderate Dem Senators like Jim Webb in Virginia, Claire McKaskill in Missouri, John Tester in Montana and Ken Salazar in Colorado from traditional Repub (red) states....as well as most of the 30+ Dems elected to the House in '06...all of whom have helped move the Dem party more to the center....much to the chagrin of some on the far left (but not me, I think its a good thing for the party
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In fact, moderate Repubs are the ones leaving their party. More than half of the 30 Repubs in the House who will not seek reelection this year are the moderates who have been marginalized in the party (others are leaving because of age or scandals), and the RNC is putting up social conservatives to run in their place...creating a greater possibility of Dems winning many of these seats this year.
But that is irrelevant to the discussion.
And despite your observations, I dont post out of hate and anger....I post to get the facts out when I see a president who IMO has not lived up to his oath of office. And I do so in order to stimulate discussion and try to gain an understanding of why some are not as concerned.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
I'm tired of it.... either find solutions or get the fuck out of the way so that those of us that do and want to work UNITED can.
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You're tired of reading that I think its important to hold a president accountable for his actions until the very last day in office..then ignore it.
Who are you to tell me to get the fuck out of way?
I'm tired of hearing you proclaim yourself a UNITER.
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Originally Posted by ottopilot
The leaders of the "peoples mandate" have been rather quiet if not lack-luster since elected, don't some of you feel used? I would be more pissed about those betrayals because they have the power to do something about the claims you're making against Bush & Co. You can argue how power "really" plays out in congress, but they are still not powerless.
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I actually think, aside from not forcing a plan to start withdrawing from Iraq, the Dem majority had a reasonable good first year as the majority, with numerous bills enacted that restored accountability in response to many of the abuses of the last seven years.
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Originally Posted by Seaver
It's outlandish claims like these which result in people ignoring threads.
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Are you ready to offer more claims to back up your "The Surge is Working" thread yet?
And yet you guys... pan. Ustwo, otto, seaver, etc still do not want to discuss those controversial actions...its all "old news" despite that fact that it continues today (EPA ignoring USSC ruling on implementing the Clean Air, DoD selectively releasing classified intel to their favorite talking heads who support the continued occupation of Iraq in order to generate favorable news coverage over a failed policy and strategy, violation of the law regarding how states implement SCHIP, etc) and instead, offer lame rationalizations why it serves no purpose to discuss these issues.
So...I give up!