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I really and truly hate threads that turn into discussions about individual members - at least ones that didn't start off that way. It would be a shame to have to lock this one because the discussion turned into something unproductive. So please, stay on target.
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"There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush
"We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo
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