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Old 04-18-2008, 08:57 PM   #476 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by willravel
How about this: Rev. Wright peppered in some really irresponsible claims during his sermons, including the idea that AIDS was created to kill black people. Were they stupid? Not until the media got ahold of them. Up until the tenants of spin alley, it was simply irresponsible, and I continue to view them as such. Is it okay to believe that AIDS was created to kill black people? Not unless you have real, verifiable evidence. Otherwise it's comparable to some of the thing Jerry Falwell said, from a certain perspective. The problem with that perspective, though, is that it fails to take into account any relevant history. Jerry Falwell has likely never been victimized as a result of his skin color, and Jerry Falwell's great great grandparents weren't slaves.

Like it or not, that changes the comparison considerably. The frightening thing, as DC pointed out, is that despite the comparison not even being fair to black people, it seems clear that some people can't even find them as being equivalent. The even nuttier part is that Ustwo is just as much of an atheist as I am (imagine Ustwo as a Christopher Hitchens type of atheist, or an atheist that's conservative), but he still hasn't, to my memory, mentioned Falwell and his hate-squad.

So I'm saying it: what Reverend Wright said was irresponsible. I'd also ask Obama about it, but he's already answered questions about it. Ad nauseum. When has Bush asked about Jerry "God is full of hate according to me" Falwell?
Jerry was a bigot too, I didn't think this was the topic of the thread. We should start a thread on racial bigotry and propose solutions.

As long as we refuse to see the equivalence, we never move forward. There has to be jumping off point or we're stuck in this feedback loop. It's not a simple matter to make real, but the solution is that simple. We choose to make it complicated.

Catch you crazy kids later. bed time.

edit - sorry didn't address Obama answering the questions, that's not been my beef ... it seems the thread has become more about who we give a pass on racism and bigotry (or not) based on how we rationalize their motivation and experiences. My position ... none should be tolerated any longer. Plain and simple. I no longer accept excuses that enable bigotry for any reason.
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