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host · 04-17-2008, 09:47 PM

Bush is leaving office nine months from now. This is recent reporting on his record in his seven years, three months in office:

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http://www.usnews.com/blogs/news-des...-to-worse.html
President Bush's Poll Numbers Are Going From Bad to Worse
April 11, 2008 04:34 PM ET | Kenneth T. Walsh | Permanent Link

President Bush is spending the weekend at his Texas ranch. But there's no escape from bad news in the ratings department.

The latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll finds that only 28 percent of Americans approve of the job Bush is doing, a new low. He was at 30 percent last month. The pollsters said one big reason is deepening voter dissatisfaction with the economy, which is in a serious downturn.....

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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/34030.html
Jonathan Landay GAO: Bush lacks strategy to wipe out bin Laden sanctuary
By Jonathan S. Landay | McClatchy Newspapers
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WASHINGTON — The Bush administration doesn't have a comprehensive strategy for eliminating Osama bin Laden's sanctuary in Pakistan's tribal region and preventing the region from being used for launching terrorist attacks on the United States, the investigative arm of Congress said Thursday.

President Bush and his senior lieutenants frequently claim that eradicating the threat that bin Laden's al Qaida terrorist network poses to United States and its allies is their top national-security priority.

But in a scathing report, the Government Accountability Office said there was no plan that "includes all elements of national power — diplomatic, military, intelligence, development assistance, economic and law enforcement support — called for by the various national-security strategies and Congress."

Al Qaida established its sanctuary in Pakistan's tribal region when bin Laden and his followers fled Afghanistan after the 2001 U.S.-led intervention.

"No comprehensive strategy for meeting U.S. national-security goals" in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas has been developed even though the administration's counter-terrorism policy, congressional legislation and the mission of the National Counter-Terrorism Center mandate such an approach, the report says.

It says that the Bush administration has relied primarily on the Pakistani military to address the threat to American national security.

About 96 percent of some $5.8 billion that the United States provided to Pakistan from 2002 to 2007 to address the problem in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and adjoining districts has gone to reimbursing the Pakistani military for the costs of its operations, according to the report.

But Pakistan, which deployed 120,000 troops and paramilitary forces in the rugged Massachusetts-size region, has failed to eliminate al Qaida and allied militants based there even though it's killed and captured hundreds of extremists while losing about 1,400 of its own forces.

"It is appalling that there is still no comprehensive, interagency strategy concerning this critical region, and this lack of foresight is harming U.S. national security," said Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., the chairman of the House Foreign Relations Committee, which requested the report.

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The GAO report: http://hcfa.house.gov/110/GAO041708.pdf

Last summer's GAO report on Iraq....white house "reluctance" to share it, triggered a leaking of it:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/pdf/200...%20report2.pdf

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...pinion/columns

The Vacation President By Dan Froomkin Special to washingtonpost.com Tuesday, March 4, 2008; 1:02 PM President Bush famously, if unjustifiably, casts himself as Ronald Reagan's disciple. But in at least one way, he has surpassed his master.According to the meticulous records kept by CBS Radio White House correspondent Mark Knoller, Bush on Monday lodged his 879th day spent in whole or in part at Camp David or his sprawling estate in Crawford, Tex.By comparison, the 40th president only -- only! -- spent all or part of 866 days at Camp David or his ranch in California during his eight years in office, according to the Reagan Library. (By my count, Bush actually beat Reagan's mark on Dec. 30, during his Christmas vacation in Crawford.)This, of course, is not the noblest of records to break. Reagan was frequently derided for his laid-back, hands-off approach to his job. He even poked fun of himself at the 1987 Gridiron Dinner: "It's true hard work never killed anybody, but I figure, why take the chance?"And, of course, Bush still has almost a year to go. His will almost certainly be a record for the ages.Bush's current tally represents a little more than a third of his presidency. And that's not counting the 39 days that Knoller says he spent in whole or in part at the Bush family compound in Kennebunkport, Me. All in all, Knoller says, Bush has made 134 separate visits to Camp David, 70 to Crawford and 10 to Kennebunkport in a little over seven years.Knoller didn't set out to be the chronicler of Bush's indolence. In fact, in our e-mail correspondence, he shied away from calling Bush's time away "vacation." Says Knoller: "I agree that he can never really be 'on vacation' - since the job is always with him."Knoller explains that he started collecting presidential travel data during the early days of the Clinton presidency. "I though it would be helpful to my radio reports to say how often he visited certain key states. So I started logging those visits. Then time 'on vacation'. . . . Then pardons, vetoes, addresses to the nation, rounds of golf, commencement speeches, foreign trips, news conferences, etc, etc."I liked having these little information nuggets that were not readily available elsewhere."Bush's aides go to great pains to point out that even during his frequent getaways from the office, he continues to do some, if not a lot, of work. He receives daily national security briefings, signs documents and sometimes holds teleconferences. An invitation to hang out with Bush at Camp David or Crawford is seen as a reward for friendly foreign leaders.But at some key points in his administration, Bush has been on vacation. For instance, he spent a month in Crawford shortly before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, when critics say he should have been more attentive to warning signs.<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A15957-2001Aug29&notFound=true" target="">Mike Allen</a> wrote in The Washington Post in August of 2001, as Bush's first long Crawford vacation wrapped up: "The length of the trip revived old questions about Bush's work ethic." Of course, no one knew at the time that Bush had, during the first week of that vacation, waved off the now-famous memo specifically for the president titled " <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A2285-2004Apr10?language=printer" target="">Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US</a>." According to author <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=gV3m6sYhnrsC&pg=PA2&dq=%22+covered+your+ass%22+suskind&ei=eHTNR5PYAqHeyATtxIHkAw&sig=j9X0bhAIixgatP0xDb_IySF6cZk" target="">Ron Suskind</a>, Bush heard his CIA briefer out -- then told him, "All right. You've covered your ass, now."The very next day, as <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A2676-2004Apr10&notFound=true" target="">Dana Milbank and Mike Allen</a> wrote in The Post in April 2004, Bush ran into reporters while playing golf at a nearby country club and "seemed carefree as he spoke about the books he was reading, the work he was doing on his nearby ranch, his love of hot-weather jogging, his golf game and his 55th birthday."<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/06/washington/06bush.html?_r=1&oref=slogin" target="">Sheryl Gay Stolberg</a> wrote in the New York Times in August 2006 that Bush was actually cutting short his time in Crawford that summer for symbolic purposes. "Last August . . . began with highly publicized protests by [Cindy] Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq, and ended with the image of the president on vacation while New Orleans drowned, an image that helped start his slide in popularity."Nevertheless, he was <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2006/08/08/BL2006080800490.html" target="">on vacation</a> as Israel dropped bombs on Lebanon later that month.<a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/mason/5042364.html" target="">Julie Mason</a> noted in the Houston Chronicle this past August that Bush was fast approaching Reagan's record. She wrote: "The 1,600-acre ranch has proved a durable haven for Bush, who often disappears into its varied landscapes for days or weeks at a time without public appearances. He has an attractive stone house, shaded swimming pool, miles of rugged bike trails and law enforcement at every entry point keeping people out."In my May 8, 2006, column, " <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2006/05/08/BL2006050800788.html" target="">Would Bush Rather Be Fishing</a>?", I wondered if Bush doesn't really enjoy his day job. A few days earlier, when asked by a German tabloid to name the most wonderful moment of his presidency, Bush said it came while he was on vacation, fishing on his private lake.

President Bush's supporters include almost all republican members of the house and senate, the unelected officials of the republican party, and polls suggest, just under thirty percent of American adults.

They are sponsoring a candidate to replace Mr. Bush who seems to support all of Mr. Bush's policies. The candidate, John McCain, is actually, with the support of the supporters of the outgoing president, running on Bush's "record". He advocates even deeper tax cuts, with no plan to replace the tax revenue, and the same economically draining, grinding down the US military, open ended occupation of Iraq by US troops at present levels.

So, how do we relate to Bush's supporters? Aren't they unapologetic, unphased by any of the details reported above? Do we act like nothing has happened, that we simply continue to have different political opinions, or does there come a point where the dynamic should appropriately change, given the above information?

Is Bush's record, as described by the non-partisan GAO, months shy of a "war on terror", lasting seven years, so far....that Bush himself proclaimed, coupled with his "attendance record" during those "war years", enough of a shock to your sensibilities to seriously question whether Bush or his supporters are even "for real"?

Would it help if they tried to explain themselves? Are you still willing to listen? Is it unreasonable not to want to? What more information of Bush's failings and contradictions would have to be documented to make it reasonable?

Why do you think that Bush supporters are not negatively influenced by the details reported in the articles included in this post?