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Originally Posted by Herk
Not a lot vexes me more than writing an elaborate post then having it ripped away by 'invalid thread specified'.
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Ustwo, I have always held your opinion in decently high regard, though I have regularly and staunchly disagreed with you. Your two wrongs equal a right and mild torture is okay comments really cement my assumption that your logic engine and moral compass are in dire need of repair.
I spent a lot of the lost post apologizing for potentially breaking the rules there, but I'm skipping it the second time around. The school of thought that being from a different culture excludes you from equality of person bugs me. Are we to assume that everybody that was tortured beheaded somebody and put it on the internet, or is it possible that they are good people fighting for what they think is right. Maybe they have children they love. Maybe they care about their community. Maybe they are people.
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If waterboarding and Slimshady is good enough for our people (the waterboarding is part of training), its good enough for terrorists.
I'm sorry, but I thought we were fighting a war here, this isn't a 'nice' thing, and I do not see waterboarding as a big deal as compared to the consequences of prolonged terror attacks. I think under the controlled and limited uses we use it under its perfectly acceptable.
So please, you can cry me a river about it, but I lose no sleep over someone treated as such. They are still able to walk around and talk about it after, unlike the 1000's of civilians they have blown up
purposefully.
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Originally Posted by ratbastid
... Who views civilians as targets... In Iraq? Really? Who is this magic "enemy" of yours? Can you be more specific than "The Terrorists"?
The US has killed more Iraqi civilians than any other force, by the way A report in 2005 showed US forces the largest killer of civilians--the cause of 37.3% of Iraqi civilian casualties, up till then. I can't find any studies of the question since then, but I trust the numbers are roughly unchanged
Also, let's not forget there WAS no so-called "Al Qaida In Iraq" before we invaded. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi didn't align himself with Al Qaida until 2004, in response to the invasion. And even after that, their suicide attacks have largely targeted ISF, US, UN and Coalition forces, not civilians. (I'm not saying they haven't killed civilians too--just that they probably view that as collateral damage, not the primary target.)
So.... Who the hell are you talking about? Or are you just barfing out talking points?
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ratbadtid I know I waste my breath, (and dear god did you REALLY quote the world socialist web site as a reliable source?) but when we purposefully target civilians to kill them and bring terror on the population give me a call. I think the last time would have been Nagasaki.