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Originally Posted by ratbastid
I know you're amusing yourself with the idea of treating fellow human beings with respect and civility. I submit that demonstrating to these people that America isn't the evil oppressor they believe it to be MIGHT actually be more effective than other approaches.
These are human beings. Human beings respond to kindness one way, and cruelty another way. Let me put it like this: the people who did 9/11 didn't do it because they believe we're so kind to them. A beaten dog will eventually bite.
Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate, and Hate leads to suffering. No wonder Darth Cheney is so gung-ho for torture.
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I personally don't think it is possible to torture a person who is willing to detonate a bomb killing himself, innocent - children, relief workers, woman, disabled, elderly, and non-combatant men. I think the mind set is incapable of being tortured. However I do agree with McCain when he says you don't get any valued information from "torture" and I am against it. But we still ignore the issue of guild lines. And the people who have the courage to issue specific guild lines will always run the risk of that one thing that is on the margin between being acceptable and unacceptable. as Yoda said to Luke in V: "That place... is strong with the dark side of the Force. A domain of evil it is. In you must go.”
“What's in there?”
“Only what you take with you."
We must face the question of torture in the face of an enemy that is ruthless. Human weakness is a reality, Bush has not hidden from the issue.