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Old 04-15-2008, 10:27 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by loquitur
Host, the OP put forth a bunch of proposals. You object that one of them also was proposed by Bush. That doesn't mean the proposal originated with Bush; it predates him. Some things exist other than by reference to GWB. And some things are true even if GWB says them. This thread isn't about Bush.

I have a number of objections to the way the estate tax is constructed. Don't assume that getting rid of the estate tax will necessarily result in less tax being paid. I can see the logic of AN estate tax, but here is something to ponder. What happens when a person dies is that her heirs get her property. If the dead person bought an asset - a widget - thirty years ago for $1,000 and when she died it was worth $10,000, the heir gets the asset at a $10,000 "basis." So when the heir sells it a couple years later for $15,000, the heir pays tax on the gain of $5,000 (sale proceeds minus basis at date of inheritance), NOT on a gain of $14,000 (sale proceeds minus initial cost). The reason basis "steps up" at the time of death is that the estate tax is deemed to have operated on the dead person's assets, even if the person pays no estate tax. But if you get rid of the estate tax, the heir will pay tax on the entire gain of $14,000.

That's why it's not so cut and dried that eliminating the estate tax will result in less tax revenue. I suspect it will result in more tax revenue, because most estates DON'T pay any tax, but the basis nevertheless steps up because the estate is SUBJECT to tax even if it's not actually LIABLE for the tax. (They don't pay tax because they are not big enough to be hit with the tax; the estate tax kicks in for estates above something like three million dollars; I forget the exact number.)

I hope this wasn't too convoluted.
There were two Bush themes pushed....doing away with SSA and inheritance taxes.

I'm sure you know more about this than I do....but isn't the principle appreciated asset inherited in the majority of lower value estates, a residential property which, under recent law, is exempted for most capital gains tax on the sale proceeds? If the property are securities, held for the length of time you descibed, hasn't the tax already been lowered to just 15 percent? Except for antiques and jewelry, relatively easy items to misrepresent the appraised value of, and hide the sale of later, isn't your argument left with speculative real property investments as it's principle asset? How many lower value estates hold such property, that the situation you describe shelters the great amounts potentially open to taxation if current inheritance tax law is changed?
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