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Originally Posted by willravel
The 43 thing was keyboard dyslexia. I get it from time to tmie. And I was just razzing you about the Camry. It's a respectable vehicle, of course. Toyota makes very dependable vehicles, some of the most dependable on the road. Still, 34 mpg for a hybrid doesn't seem like much of a deal. The non-hybrid Civic gets that. And the Civic hybrid is rated at 45 mpg highway.
Of course I was also kidding, but the point I was trying to make is that you weren't offering an alternative. You mentioned Europe using nuclear energy, but that only translates to transportation if it's stored electricity, like an electric car.
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I feel much better about you.
I've driven a Civic and a Civic is no Camry. Small car vs. much larger car. We need to compare apples to apples. That's why the Geo comparison hit me wrong. And 34 mpg is pretty darn good when the non-hybrid 3.3 L engine of the ES 330 only gets 23 mpg. I've basically cut the relative value of a gallon of gas by 50%. That will save me $800 a year if I drive 15K miles and the price of gas is $3.50/gallon.
This is a relational thing as I'm not going for the absolute best milage but am going for a balance of comfort, style and economy. With leather, auto climate control, electric seats, basically all the major comforts of a Lexus, adds up to a lot. Also, all these non-hybrids produce tons of carbon. Yes, I do have a little tree-hugger in me to say the least. It has been said that the air from a hybrid Camry or Prius tailpipe is cleaner that that of the air you breathe in most downtown city areas.
In terms of electricity, I thought you could easily see I was talking about electric cars. Geez! We're talking about powering cars and you're a pretty smart guy so I didn't think hand holding was needed.
We can power everything we need with clean electricity powered from nuclear plants. I've learned a great deal about that over the past few years since I have a nephew that graduated from GA Tech a few years ago with a degree in nuclear engineering. In fact, Europe (France with some other participating countries - and the USA backed out but now wants in) has a new nuclear technology using fission. You'll see that hitting its stride by 2020 or sooner.