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Originally Posted by host
....how do you know what you know? You were wrong about WMD, about al Qaeda being in Iraq with Saddam's "approval", "before we got there"....wrong about Iran's "ongoing" nuclear weapons development program.... why don't these "setbacks" trigger any reticence, any reflection about your political opinions?
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Originally Posted by Ottopilot
Regarding the questions: Because of the way host frames his questions, I'm not the guy to ask. I see a much bigger picture than rabidly obsessing about evil GW Bush and the evil neo-cons ... one worn spoke on a giant wheel. If someone is REALLY interested in getting some answers, I say why stop there?...
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Originally Posted by Ottopilot
...What people? And what do you assume has not been accomplished? The point is, "they" have accomplished much. Try broadening your sense of "they". What's obvious is the tip of the iceberg, I'm not defending anyone here....
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Thanks Ottopilot.....at least you bother to post vague responses. The silence from the rest of what was once a "Mighty Wurlitzer", has lately only been broken to bring us a piece authored by Norman Podheretz to read....
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Originally Posted by Norman Podheretz
....The upshot is that if Iran is to be prevented from becoming a nuclear power, it is the United States that will have to do the preventing, to do it by means of a bombing campaign, and (because “If we wait for threats to fully materialize, we will have waited too long”) to do it soon.
When I first predicted a year or so ago that Bush would bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities once he had played out the futile diplomatic string, the obstacles that stood in his way were great but they did not strike me as insurmountable. <h3>Now, thanks in large part to the new NIE, they have grown so formidable that I can only stick by my prediction with what the NIE itself would describe as “low-to-moderate confidence.”</h3> For Bush is right about the resemblance between 2008 and 1938. In 1938, as Winston Churchill later said, Hitler could still have been stopped at a relatively low price and many millions of lives could have been saved if England and France had not deceived themselves about the realities of their situation. Mutatis mutandis, it is the same in 2008, when Iran can still be stopped from getting the bomb and even more millions of lives can be saved—but only provided that we summon up the courage to see what is staring us in the face and then act on what we see...
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Ahhh...the pesty, but apparently irrelevant new detail that the NIE finds no imminent danger of Iran producing a nuclear weapon! It couldn't be the hopelessly flawed, paranoid, "crimes against humanity be damned", blind ambition and aggression of Podheretz & Co., that is the real problem....it has to be that damned NIE that gets in the way of neocon "reality"!
The US used to believe that preemptive military attack was a war crime....now we have people on this forum. and a US president who seem not even to believe that an NIE defining the imminent threat is a necessary prelude to justify such an attack!
Yet, according to Ottopilot, "the big picture", means that host's posts are the flaw....host asks the wrong questions....too narrow and Bush-centric!