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host · 04-12-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by roachboy

a norman podhoretz editorial from commentary powerclown?

Ahhh, yes...the CIA's maestro of the "mighy Wurlitzer", Norman Podhoretz, later of the Neo-con ...."der homeland" fame.....

..."weighs in" to "support powerclown's opinion:

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Reason Magazine - Cold WarriorWhat many didn't know was that the CIA displayed considerable enlightenment in funding the Congress for Cultural Freedom, which included a menu of Europe ...
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Quadrant Magazine... at a splendid celebration of Norman Podhoretz's twenty-five brilliant and ... in the mid-sixties, of CIA funding of the Congress for Cultural Freedom ...
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My Love Affair with America: The Cautionary Tale of a Cheerful ... - Google Books Resultby Norman Podhoretz - 2000 - Political Science - 256 pages
In 1967, when the CIA's sponsorship of the Congress for Cultural Freedom would be exposed, the debates triggered by the resulting scandal would provide an ...
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An Unholy AllianceHer husband, Norman Podhoretz,also a member of CPD and CFW, ... associated with the now-defunct Congress for Cultural Freedom,the major US post-war cultural ...
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JSTOR: Anticommunism, Anti-Anticommunism, and Anti-Anti-AnticommunismThe Liberal Conspiracy: The Congress for Cultural Freedom and the Struggle for the .... Irving Howe, Norman Podhoretz, Les- lie Fiedler, and Sidney Hook. ...
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<h2>CIA and the Press: The Mighty Wurlitzer</h2> Peter Coleman, The Liberal Conspiracy: The Congress for Cultural Freedom and the .... Norman Podhoretz Dan Rather Stephen S. Rosenfeld A. M. Rosenthal ...
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Back on 12-24, I posted this question and this articel:

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<h3>Can anyone recall, or post an example of when the US mainland was ever commonly, or familiarly referred to frequently, before these guys, as "the homeland"? </h3>

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http://www.villagevoice.com/news/034...g,47830,1.html
The Widening Crusade
Bush's War Plan Is Scarier Than He's Saying
by Sydney H. Schanberg
October 15 - 21, 2003

.....yet if the Bush White House is going to use its preeminent military force to subdue and neutralize all "evildoers" and adversaries everywhere in the world, the American public should be told now. Such an undertaking would be virtually endless and would require the sacrifice of enormous blood and treasure.

With no guarantee of success. And no precedent in history for such a crusade having lasting effect......

...For those who would dispute the assertion that the Bush Doctrine is a global military-based policy and is not just about liberating the Iraqi people, it's crucial to look back to the policy's origins and examine its founding documents.

The Bush Doctrine did get its birth push from Iraq—specifically from the outcome of the 1991 Gulf war, when the U.S.-led military coalition forced Saddam Hussein's troops out of Kuwait but stopped short of toppling the dictator and his oppressive government. The president then was a different George Bush, the father of the current president. The father ordered the military not to move on Baghdad, saying that the UN resolution underpinning the allied coalition did not authorize a regime change. Dick Cheney was the first George Bush's Pentagon chief. He said nothing critical at the time, but apparently he came to regret the failure to get rid of the Baghdad dictator.

A few years later, in June 1997, a group of neoconservatives formed an entity called the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and issued a Statement of Principles. "The history of the 20th Century," the statement said, "should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire." One of its formal principles called for a major increase in defense spending "to carry out our global responsibilities today." Others cited the "need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values" and underscored "America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity and our principles." This, the statement said, constituted "a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity."

Among the 25 signatories to the PNAC founding statement were Dick Cheney, I. Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff), Donald Rumsfeld (who was also defense secretary under President Ford), and Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's No. 2 at the Pentagon, who was head of the Pentagon policy team in the first Bush presidency, reporting to Cheney, who was then defense secretary). Obviously, this fraternity has been marinating together for a long time. Other signers whose names might ring familiar were Elliot Abrams, Gary Bauer, William J. Bennett, Jeb Bush, <h3>and Norman Podhoretz</h3>.

Three years and several aggressive position papers later—in September 2000, just two months before George W. Bush, the son, was elected president—the PNAC put military flesh on its statement of principles with a detailed 81-page report, <a href="http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf">"Rebuilding America's Defenses."</a> The report set several "core missions" for U.S. military forces, which included maintaining nuclear superiority, expanding the armed forces by 200,000 active-duty personnel, and "repositioning" those forces "to respond to 21st century strategic realities."

The most startling mission is described as follows: "Fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars." The report depicts these potential wars as "large scale" and "spread across [the] globe."

Another escalation proposed for the military by the PNAC is to "perform the 'constabulary' duties associated with shaping the security environment in critical regions."

As for homeland security, the PNAC report says: "Develop and deploy global missile defenses <h3>to defend the American homeland</h3> and American allies, and to provide a secure basis for U.S. power projection around the world. Control the new 'international commons' of space and 'cyberspace,' and pave the way for the creation of a new military service—U.S. Space Forces—with the mission of space control."

Perhaps the eeriest sentence in the report is found on page 51: "The process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, <h3>absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor."....</h3>

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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...=&pagewanted=2
By WILLIAM J. BROAD AND JUDITH MILLER
Published: January 28, 1999

....The Federal Bureau of Investigation, Mr. Nojeim said, already has the money, authority and manpower to handle such crises.

But Fred C. Ikle, an Under Secretary of Defense in the Reagan Administration, applauded finding ways for the military to deal better with terrorism on American soil.

''Only the armed services have the managerial and logistical capabilities to mount the all-out defensive effort,'' Dr. Ikle said in a report on homeland defense being prepared for the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a private policy group in Washington.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...=&pagewanted=2
China Syndrome; Seeing Beyond Spies Is the Hard Part

By TIM WEINER
Published: March 14, 1999

....But how real is that threat? China's nuclear arsenal is not much more potent than America's was when Chairman Mao took charge 50 years ago and American deterrent power is overwhelming. China has perhaps two dozen weapons capable of striking the American homeland....

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...=&pagewanted=3
Get Ready, Here Comes the Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle

By PETER MAASS
Published: September 26, 1999
These are what the Pentagon calls ''homeland threats,'' a phrase echoing from the 1950's and 1960's, when fallout shelters and duck-and-cover drills were the rage. The millennial makeover of homeland defense does not mean arming the citizens of Santa Monica with revolvers to repel Communist frogmen. The Pentagon, along with the F.B.I. and C.I.A. and Justice Department, among other agencies, is increasing its focus on combating terrorism, cyber attacks, germ warfare, biological warfare, suitcase nuclear bombs, ICBM's -- the works.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...=&pagewanted=2
McCain Calls for Overhaul Of National Security Policy

By ALISON MITCHELL
Published: December 8, 1999

....In His Own Words: JOHN McCAIN

Remarks about defense policy prepared for delivery here last night aboard the aircraft carrier Intrepid:

''I have spoken before about the unique 'unipolar moment' in world affairs for the United States and the necessity to extend this period of American pre-eminence for as long as we possibly can. In a remarkably changed world, and on the eve of the next American century, our core strategic interests, like our founding ideals, remain constant: protecting our <h3>homeland</h3> and hemisphere from external threats; preventing the domination of Europe by a single power; strengthening our alliances; securing access to energy resources; and sustaining stability in the Pacific Rim.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...52C0A9669C8B63
Military Terrorism Operation Has a Civilian Focus

By ELIZABETH BECKER
Published: January 9, 2000

Originally, the Pentagon contemplated creating a commander in chief for the defense of the United States -- a ''homeland defense command,'' in military shorthand. Civil rights groups of all political persuasions knocked down that idea out of fear that it would open the door to an increase in the military's influence inside the country.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...=&pagewanted=2
Gore, on a Personal Note, and Bush, Less So, Pay Homage to the Nation's War Dead

By JAMES DAO WITH FRANK BRUNI
Published: May 30, 2000
Mr. Bush reiterated his own position in a context of a general plea for strengthening the country's armed forces.

''Those who man the lighthouse of freedom ask little of our nation in return,'' he said. ''But what they ask, our nation must provide: a military of high morale, a military that's well paid and well housed, a military well prepared and well equipped, a military respected by those in authority, a military that's got a coherent vision of America's duties -- a clear military mission in a time of crisis -- and a modern defense system aimed to protect our <h3>homeland</h3> and to protect our allies.''

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...50C0A9669C8B63
Clinton Enters Confederate Flag Debate

By MARC LACEY
Published: March 30, 2000

Mr. Verdin believes passionately in his cause. ''Any so-called 'compromise' would be dishonoring to the 20,000 plus South Carolinians who gave their lives for the cause and dishonoring to the more than 75,000 others who defended hearth and <H3>homeland</h3> from ruthless and barbarous invaders without giving their lives for the cause,'' he said in a memo on his Web site.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...51C0A9679C8B63
Bush Warns Against 'Overdeployment'

By STEVEN LEE MYERS
Published: February 15, 2001
President Bush said today that he would send American forces overseas more judiciously, warning that ''overdeployments'' strained troops, their families and, in the case of members of the National Guard and Reserves, their civilian employers.

''I'm worried that we're trying to be all things to all people around the world,'' Mr. Bush told a group of those employers in a meeting today at the headquarters of the West Virginia National Guard in Charleston.

Mr. Bush, who often warned in last year's presidential campaign that proliferating peacekeeping and humanitarian operations were sapping the military, said his administration would not precipitously withdraw from operations already under way, like those in Bosnia and Kosovo.

He pledged, however, to redefine the military's mission so that the armed services ''trained and prepared to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place.''

He also said he intended to focus the mission of the National Guard on <H3>''homeland defense''</H3> against terrorist attacks -- a recent recommendation of a panel on national security headed by two former senators, Gary Hart and Warren B. Rudman.

THEN, FOR THE THREE WEEKS AFTER 9/11...IT WAS ALL "HOMELAND", ALL OF THE TIME!

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A NATION CHALLENGED: HOMELAND SECURITY; Bush Chooses Old Ally For Cabinet-Level Post
President Bush tonight chose Governor...head a new Office of Homeland Security. Governor...governor, was one of Mr. Bush's leading candidates...overhaul, prompted many Bush supporters to see him...NATION CHALLENGED: HOMELAND SECURITY

September 21, 2001 - By CHRISTOPHER MARQUIS - U.S. - 639 words
A NATION CHALLENGED: HOMELAND SECURITY; New Office to Become a White House Agency
The Office of Homeland Security announced by President Bush after the Sept...15, President Bush announced that...House Office of Homeland Security. But...President Bush said today. Tonight...Mr. Ridge, as homeland security adviser...

September 28, 2001 - By ELIZABETH BECKER and TIM WEINER - U.S. - 1084 words
A Nation Challenged
...is taking another look at the Bush administration's anti-terrorism...Presidents Bill Clinton, George Bush, Jimmy Carter and Gerald R...SECURITY OFFICE -- The office of homeland security announced by President Bush will be elevated to a new White...

September 28, 2001 - New York and Region - 994 words
How to Protect the Homeland
...to action, despite President Bush's decision to name Gov. Tom...Pennsylvania to head a new Office of Homeland Defense. By using the rhetoric...the terror attacks, President Bush has marshaled the public's...be a mistake if the Office of Homeland Defense merely added another...

September 25, 2001 - By Joseph S. Nye - Opinion - 688 words
The Home Front; Tom Ridge's Task
...America. That is why President Bush is creating the cabinet-level Office of Homeland Security under the direction...preside over so-called homeland security forces -- creating...departments into a National Homeland Security Agency that would...

September 23, 2001 - Opinion - 537 words
Liberties; Old Ruses, New Barbarians
...that the U.S. should have a homeland defense plan. This week, when Bush diplomats should have been riveted...theology, it will be hard for the Bush crowd to engender the trust...senators last Thursday, Mr. Bush asked, What's the sense of...

September 19, 2001 - By MAUREEN DOWD - Opinion - 716 words
Race for Governor of Pennsylvania Gets Even Harder to Call
...has been a difficult contest to read from the start. And President Bush compounded that difficulty Thursday night when he tapped Gov. Tom Ridge to head the new Office of Homeland Security. Until then, two Republicans and two Democrats were vying...

September 23, 2001 - By B. DRUMMOND AYRES Jr. - U.S. - 739 words
A NATION CHALLENGED: THE APPOINTEE -- Man in the News; Rising Star in Crucial Job -- Tom Ridge
...Washington on Thursday when President Bush, in his address to a joint...director of the Office of Homeland Security, where he will coordinate...Flyers hockey game watched Mr. Bush's speech on huge TV screens...Party, was said to be Mr. Bush's choice of running mate...

September 22, 2001 - By SARA RIMER - U.S. - 1124 words
The Way We Live Now: 9-30-01: On Language; Words At War
...tire, falter and fail.) The Bush speech showed a heightened concern...words not chosen. For example, Bush castigated the power-seeking...noun that was not there in the Bush address to Congress was defense...phrase in Washington today, homeland defense. The earliest citation...

September 30, 2001 - By William Safire - Magazine - 975 words
A NATION CHALLENGED: THE BIOLOGICAL THREAT; Nation's Civil Defense Could Prove to Be Inadequate Against a Germ or Toxic Attack
...some of the most dangerous weapons of mass destruction. Many experts approve of President Bush's decision to appoint a cabinet secretary for Homeland Security, calling it an important step toward protecting civilians against terrorist arms...

September 23, 2001 - By WILLIAM J. BROAD and MELODY PETERSEN - Science - 1227 words

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Isn't it at least something to think about, to ask questions about.....that the most prominent display of the word "homeland".... not in reference to a foreign place, was in the PNAC manifesto....there are no quotes of Clinton or Gore using the word to refer to the US, that I can find, during their 1993 to 2001 term, and almost no reference of the word in news reports, except by George Bush and John McCain in their 2000 campaigns.....but only very infrequently.....but from Sept. 12, 2001, to the end of that month, use of the word by Bush exploded into a cabinet level department.....it appeared in a matter of days.....with it's shiny PNAC name!!!

We can show that you've been conned powerclown....by neo-cons. Why not be man enough to admit it, instead of sharing a Podehertz rant?