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roachboy · 04-10-2008, 09:08 AM

ok pan--i apologize for the fool remark.

but by the time i got to that level of exasperation, you had dodged the same argument 4 or 5 times.
and the argument was straightforward.

most of what i posted before had nothing of personal attack in them.
i went out of my way to distinguish what i was saying about the politics that i see informing you on this particular issue (but not on others) FROM a personal attack.

for some reason, you chose to interpret what i posted in EXACTLY the opposite direction, and used that to dodge the substance of the argument.

it was pointed out to you by a bunch of other folk besides myself that you had dodged the argument. you did the same with dc_dux for most of the thread. you did the same with silent jay. you did the same with host. you did the same with mixedmedia, with ratbastid. you have ignored the substance of EVERY critique of your position.

given that, i think that folk in the main have been pretty patient with this thread and your conduct in it...host was offended directly, reacted in a harsh manner, but at least explained himself. as for everyone else who has reacted in a negative manner toward you, i think you can see exactly how and why it happened simply by reading the thread. you brought this all down on yourself, pan--and i have no idea what motivated you to do it.

here's the deal as i see it: there are certain expectation that follow from starting a thread--they're minimal, but they're binding--one of them is that when you launch a thread, you are doing it because you want to launch a discussion.
discussion includes the possibility of disagreement.
it is assumed that if you disagree that you will explain yourself, and that in turn some rational responses to that explanation can be expected.

you have systematically ignored even that most minimal expectation about discussion in this thread.
you do not want to have a discussion.
you want to be told that your (mis)understanding of the situation that prompted the op is correct.
that's all you want to hear.
that's not a discussion--that's a monologue.
and the more pressure you came under to engage in an dialogue--because of the weakness of your own position--the pissier you got.
and the pissier you got, the more uncontrolled became your projections about others, about yourself.

edit:

this is *not* about any "group-think" as ustwo would have it--unless by "group-think" you mean historical accuracy and minimal logic--but if that's "group-think" and you've transcended that, where does that leave you?

it's not a good defense.

04-10-2008, 09:08 AM	#302 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	ok pan--i apologize for the fool remark. but by the time i got to that level of exasperation, you had dodged the same argument 4 or 5 times. and the argument was straightforward. most of what i posted before had nothing of personal attack in them. i went out of my way to distinguish what i was saying about the politics that i see informing you on this particular issue (but not on others) FROM a personal attack. for some reason, you chose to interpret what i posted in EXACTLY the opposite direction, and used that to dodge the substance of the argument. it was pointed out to you by a bunch of other folk besides myself that you had dodged the argument. you did the same with dc_dux for most of the thread. you did the same with silent jay. you did the same with host. you did the same with mixedmedia, with ratbastid. you have ignored the substance of EVERY critique of your position. given that, i think that folk in the main have been pretty patient with this thread and your conduct in it...host was offended directly, reacted in a harsh manner, but at least explained himself. as for everyone else who has reacted in a negative manner toward you, i think you can see exactly how and why it happened simply by reading the thread. you brought this all down on yourself, pan--and i have no idea what motivated you to do it. here's the deal as i see it: there are certain expectation that follow from starting a thread--they're minimal, but they're binding--one of them is that when you launch a thread, you are doing it because you want to launch a discussion. discussion includes the possibility of disagreement. it is assumed that if you disagree that you will explain yourself, and that in turn some rational responses to that explanation can be expected. you have systematically ignored even that most minimal expectation about discussion in this thread. you do not want to have a discussion. you want to be told that your (mis)understanding of the situation that prompted the op is correct. that's all you want to hear. that's not a discussion--that's a monologue. and the more pressure you came under to engage in an dialogue--because of the weakness of your own position--the pissier you got. and the pissier you got, the more uncontrolled became your projections about others, about yourself. edit: this is not about any "group-think" as ustwo would have it--unless by "group-think" you mean historical accuracy and minimal logic--but if that's "group-think" and you've transcended that, where does that leave you? it's not a good defense. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 04-10-2008 at 09:13 AM..