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Originally Posted by SecretMethod70
Back when I was in high school, I used to think that the mere fact some tests asked about my sex and race was a bad idea, and I thought merely acknowledging those things in such a manner reinforced the idea that there were differences between the sexes and races. I believed that one of the first steps toward ending sexism and racism was to stop focusing on and acknowledging these things as identities. Basically, I thought that we needed to start ignoring the fact that some people are black and some are white and some are asian and some are women and some are men, because it was only when we learned to lump everyone together into being "people" that anyone will be truly equal.
Then I grew up.
Aside for being utopian, that viewpoint also ignores the reality that the past informs the future. Which is why, as many have tried to point out in this and other threads, equal and fair are often two different things. Personally, I'm more interested in having a fair country than an equal country.
That's about all I intend on saying right now though. As I said in my one other post in this thread, I think it's a waste of time to participate in these threads. I think pan (and others, but especially pan) is literally incapable of comprehending my, and others, point of view. So, it's not worth the energy to try.
(Incidentally, research is increasingly showing a biological component to political inclinations and worldviews. I'm not interested in fighting with biology over the internet. Not when it's been shown over and over again that the words aren't even being comprehended, let alone doing any convincing.)
One other side note: the "I'm entitled to my opinion defense" is extremely tired. People have opinions about whether or not Britney Spears makes good music. Whether or not black people in America have the same opportunities as white people, and whether or not there are aspects of our society that prevent black people from being as successful as other races in America are not matters of opinion. Nor is the definition of prejudice (as dc_dux so kindly provided).
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Let me ask a few somethings....
Have I told 1 person to shut the fuck up here?
Have I replied to a poster by calling them a name (fucking tool being an example)?
Have I talked down to, disrespected ANYONE in my replies unless it was a comeback to their attack?
Have I told anyone they wouldn't understand what I am saying?
Have I not answered most if not all posts I responded to with respect for their view and opinion, did I ever belittle 1 person?
Then why am I not entitled the same for mine? Just because you disagree with what I am saying does not mean I need to be told to shut he fuck up, does not mean I need to be called names, treat with disrespect and so on.
As far as high school debate, this would have been over as soon as Host told me to shut the fuck up, and so on.
Just asking because it seems to me, that you all tried very hard to silence my opinion outright, make me lose my temper and say something that would get me into trouble, or to make me look like something I'm not, so people wouldn't pay attention to the "dark underbelly" question I asked.
I would argue that as much as people stated they detested the idea they tried for 6 pages to silence my opinion, my views and my questions.
If true outrage had existed, if everything needing to be said had been said long ago, then why push it 6 pages? Why not let the old fucking tool (to use a MOD's name for me) talk to himself and let the thread die?
Yeah...... this isn't relevant at all and I'm a fuckin tool, and I'm slow and can't get your view and meanings.....
I'm not playing martyr just pointing the fact that when given the chance to let this die...... some couldn't... instead they had to keep trying to "catch me up in something" so they could validate their views of me thus the message and opinion wouldn't be worth hearing.... they didn't do it.