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Old 04-09-2008, 10:00 PM   #273 (permalink)
pan6467
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Originally Posted by mixedmedia
How can you even say this with a straight face? You know, I'm trying to stay out of these threads because of my 'personal involvement' with your 'damage'...but how the fuck can you say something like this with a straight face?

I am all too ready to discuss the gradations in what I will call 'present day reality vs. collateral damage & associated gripes' in dealing with race relations, but how can you even start with a mindset like this??

Total denial, total negation of what are the very real, present, effective after-effects of our own history. That history that is just as much our own as the progression of democracy, independence, women's rights, minority rights - every good thing we have done. Those things do not wipe out the reality for millions of Americans who are telling you differently. Get over yourself and YOUR white guilt. All they want is fucking acknowledgment. Is that really, really so hard to give??

We still have a lot of work left to do. Are you prepared for it, pan? Or are you only willing to fork out your declaration that 'all is well'?

We do have an extreme amount of work to do. BUT IMHO we cannot do that as long as we treat one group different than another.

How long do we pay for the past before we have paid too much?

Why not look to the past, understand that it is over and find ways to positively move forward TOGETHER and not in a state of guilt or anger or hate.... but move forward in ways of understanding, love and compassion FOR ALL?

Again, to ME there is no difference in different drinking fountains and the back of the bus as there is in what this judge did.

He separated groups. Whatever the reason in his position and in the courthouse he had no right to...IMHO. IT was no different than different drinking fountains and the back of the bus. BOTH CASES ARE SERIOUSLY WRONG.

But like I keep saying, I can understand the arguments "for" and I can respect those.

It's the dark underbelly (which is a different but tied to this argument). I can't agree with, respect or understand in anyway shape or form.
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