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Originally Posted by pan6467
If a white judge had done this, what do you think the outcry would have been?
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If a black mob of 3000 had done this to 2 white couples, what do you think the outcry would have been? Would the murders go unsolved for 62 years, pan?
Pan, would you have authored this thread on the 40th anniversary of King's shooting if you knew that, in 1946, with the police standing just 50 yards down the road, a white mob dragged Dorothy Malcolm, and three other black people out of the back of a car, and as she pleaded for the life of her unborn baby, they lined her and the three others up, shot them down, loaded twice more, and shot them all again and again, and then one of the mob pulled out a knife and cut her unborn baby out of her womb and waved it's body in front of the mob?
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/26/moores.ford/index.html
Then, pan, a leading investigator said that "the best people in town wouldn't talk". They wouldn't cooperate with investigators of the murders.
How 'bout a thread appealing to these still living white people who know who did the killing, but who have remained silent, to finally clear their consciences, pan? Wouldn't that be a more productive use of your time and your indignation? This isn't a thread about racism pan, is it? Isn't it a thread about your indignation, about a double standard? Here's a double standard, pan. Do you think whites in Walton Cty, GA would be sitting still and calling for justice against a black murdering mob, for 52 years, without resorting to violence or a corruption of the apparatus of state to attempt to satisfy their indignation?
Blacks have mostly lived with their indignation, pan. Whites haven't....and it's about scale, pan. Compared to the still silent white crackers in Walton Cty, GA, <h3>your indignation is akin to a man getting riled up because somebody stepped on a gumdrop, and it looked like he did it on purpose! </h3>
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...8GVBR0G0.shtml
AP: FBI Reviews 1946 Public Lynching Case
ATLANTA, Apr. 13, 2006
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(AP) Nearly 60 years after a white mob lynched two black couples on a summer afternoon <h3>and got away with it</h3>, the FBI is taking another look at the case.
FBI agent Stephen Emmett said the case is being reviewed "to insure that any recent technology or techniques could be used to enhance the prior investigation." He would not elaborate and said a decision on whether to actually reopen the investigation has not yet been made.
The bureau refused to say why it had taken a renewed interest in the 1946 case.
Civil rights activists have pressed witnesses to come forward and break the silence, which they say is the nation's last unsolved public lynching.....
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5579862
FBI Re-Examines 1946 Lynching Case
by Kathy Lohr
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Howard says one part of the mob had blocked the road, while others dragged Roger and George out of the car to beat them. Women usually were not lynched. But when the women recognized one of the cotton farmers, they too were taken down to the river.
"The leader of the Klan had them line up, counted 'one, two, three,' and everybody fired," Howard says.
"He went through that scenario three times. During that process, some of those people shot up in the trees," Howard says. "That's where the FBI dug out a lot of bullets."
Many have speculated about the incidents leading up to the crime. They think white townsfolk may have considered George Dorsey "uppity" since returning from service in WWII. George was also accused by townspeople of carousing with white women.
White landowner Loy Harrison, who employed George Dorsey and Roger Malcom, was driving the car when the four people were dragged out and killed. Harrison had paid $600 to bail Roger Malcom out of jail when, days earlier, he had stabbed a white farmer during a fight.
It is still unknown why Harrison bailed Roger Malcom out. Was he was responding to the pleas of Roger's loved ones, or, as a Klansman himself, was he part of a lynching plot?
Near the bridge, the FBI recovered bullets from shotguns and pistols of various calibers. The lynching took place in broad daylight, and the gunmen were not masked. Many knew who committed the crime, says Howard, but the tight-knit people of Walton County created a perfect cover-up.
According to Howard, after the lynching, white people formed a code of silence, and black people, expecting violent repercussions if they spoke up, were scared into silence. Even local law enforcement officers were tight-lipped.
Many in the area thought that President Truman sent the FBI to investigate the lynching because George Dorsey had served in WWII, and had only been home ten months before he was murdered in the Georgia woods.
"It's a little hard", says Penny Young, whose half-brother is the son of Roger Malcom, "because I have a brother living and breathing that was a man's son, so it's very real."
Young says the fact that no one was ever tried for the crime is still difficult for the family.
"I want to see the remaining ones [lynchers] that are living brought to justice … somebody needs to be held accountable for that," Young says.
Many of the suspects are dead, but civil-rights activists say that two or three are still alive. They say they're more optimistic now than ever about seeing a case go to trial, partly because of the prosecutions of other old civil-rights cases in the South.
The FBI is investigating the Moore's Ford lynching again, and.....
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pan, do you think your public effort to express indignation over, what is in context, akin to a man intentionally stepping on a gum drop on the sidewalk, compared to the black historical experience in America, an influence that will help persuade whites in Walton County, GA to finally do the right thing...tell the police what they know about the 1946 lynching of two black couples, or do you think what you are expressing in this thread will be more of an ecouragement for them to dig in...to take their knowledge to the grave?
Isn't that what this really comes down to? It's about you, pan....are you helping or hurting the quest for justice, for healing? I took offense because you chose to express your indignation on the 40th anniversary of King's assassination. Innocently, or not, can you not see that your intention could be perceived as a message from you that King's death didn't take away enough, from the hopes, dreams, and pride of black americans...... that your indignation required your reaction about the "black judge: video, too?
Here's the problem pan....we had a holocaust of our own in this country, and as in the aftermath of other holocausts, you've decided, as a non-victim of the experience, that it's time to move on....
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http://dir.salon.com/story/books/fea...1/29/lynching/
......Jan 29, 2003 | The grotesque image of a black human figure suspended from a tree might be matched in its horror and inhumanity by only one other vestige of American memory: a horde of ecstatic white faces, usually set against the black of night, gathered beneath the body.
Ordinary folks traveled miles to witness a lynching, sometimes posing for keepsake photographs that they might turn into postcards to send to friends. But pictures were the gentlest of souvenirs. Often men, women and children, businessmen, farmers and policemen scrambled for the victim's carved-off genitals or for an ear or a finger. If they'd arrived too late for body parts, some settled for the bough of the lynching tree or a bit of bloodstained rope.
The spectacular reality of lynching and the evidence it offered of white Southerners' thirst for murdering their black neighbors were revelations for a young W.E.B. DuBois living in Georgia in 1899. According to Phillip Dray in his magisterial history "At the Hands of Persons Unknown," "Lynching was simply the most sensational manifestation of an animosity for black people that resided at a deeper level among whites than [DuBois] had previously thought, and was ingrained in all of white society." DuBois had just learned that a man's knuckles were for sale in an Atlanta grocer's window. ......
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Watch the movie. pan....it's short:
http://www.withoutsanctuary.org/main.html
As I posted to Ustwo, earlier....it isn't up to you to decide when the burning memory is distant enough to have the world become the way you want it to now, pan.
Watch the movie....it isn't a history of "the south", it happened all over the USA. It was as American as apple pie, but it was an atrocity....smiling people posed for pictures with the lynched victim in the background. People brought their kids, and made a picnic of it, pan...they sent postcards to friends that depicted the lynchings, the collected hair samples and other body parts of the victims as momentoes of "the event".
There are white people living in Walton Cty., GA, today pan, who still think the right thing to do is to withhold information about who lynched two black couples there in 1946. Can you agree to stop, at least until everyone who witnessed what happened in Walton Cty., GA in 1946, is dead?